NFL Should Dump Vick
 

NFL Should Dump Vick

"Football has always been my favorite sport and kids deserve to have their heros, but Michael Vick must be canned. Anyone who advocates and participates in human or animal cruelty of any kind is the antithesis of a hero.

Atlanta and the NFL both need to dump Vick. The sooner, the better and Vick should never again be allowed to have a dog. Fighting dogs, roosters and other animals is disgusting and the way they are trained is also horrendously cruel to the dogs and the animals involved in the training. Kittens and other animals are used to teach the dogs to kill. It's all practiced by sick minds.

Dump Michael Vick....and get it over with"


Its time we took a stand against these athletes doing, acting and saying anything they want without repercussion - I say we make an example out of him . . . if its true.

Michael Vick should not be shunned by the NFL for what he did according to the federal indictment. I mean, what he allegedly did according to the federal indictment.

Micheal Vick should be expelled from the NFL for lying to the commissioner about what he did according to the federal indictment. Allegedly.


Michael Vick is a piece of shit. I mean, allegedly, he's a piece of shit. There's no doubt in my mind that anyone who takes part in that kind of animal torture, is a sociopath and is not worthy of being a member of society.


Prediction: He's lost his Nike endorsement, even if they haven't come right out and said it yet. He'll blow what's left of his cheese on defense attorneys, and still do time. He'll have no football career, no money, and he'll go right back to the backasswards inbred mountains where he came from and do it again.

Sick F*uck. I say we put him in a pen and let him fight it out with a dog. No freaking excuses for that kind of crap.

Wow. So harsh.

So let me say it. Michael Vick is awesome.
The best athlete in the professional league of football.
I'd hate to see him banned from the game.

If anyone has watched Sportscenter recently there was a great debate on Vick and what his future holds. And they got it right.

Everyone who has previously posted holds a cultural bias. Well duh, so do I. But many African Americans don't feel the same way about animals. The debate said many football players said "Man, it's just some dogs, man." That's how I believe too, it's just some dogs.

Michael Vick does not have a criminal record at all, so for everyone to immediately get on the bandwagon saying "this guys is a load of shit" doesn't know anything about him.

There is a huge culture difference b/w white and blacks I think in this. Kind of like OJ Simpson, kind of like Michael Jackson. Please, give it some time before your cultural bias kicks in and we immediately choose sides based on race.

I'm Asian and I say yeah, they are just some dogs (cock fighting is the national sport in my country!). Michael Vick is not a bad person, a piece of shit, and he is fit for society. Those bold statements are way to slanderous for the alleged crime he has done, but remember he doesn't have any criminal record....EVER.

fresh you lost me at:
"The best athlete in the professional league of football"

He's not even that good of a QB, he scrambles well, that's it.

Let me be the first to say "WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?" Cultural bias? Like OJ Simpson? So OJ killed his wife and her boyfriend because of cultural bias "Man, they're just people." So MJ molests kids because of cultural bias? "Man they's just some kids, man."

Every sentence, every word, every nuance of your post shows you are more racist than anyone here who claims to be. You're excusing bad behavior because of race.

We automatically assume OJ and MJ are guilty because we're racist? Fuck you.

That was the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard. Sorry. It's just true.

You don't watch sportscenter do you, where they frequently praise him as the best athlete in the NFL.

I'm racist? How.
Shawnee it was the stupidest fucking thing you ever heard because of your cultural bias. And no, it's not true. It's your cultural bias telling you it's true. Am I a worse human being for feeling differently about animals?
You take nothing else into account. Do you know how divided those trials with OJ and MJ were based on race?

Fuck you. You don't know a goddam thing about my bias. I didn't even know the fucker was black, I just knew he's an asshole abusive personality. I thought he was a hill person (PC enough for ya?)

The OJ and MJ cases were biased on race? That's why they walked, huh?

You need to shut the fuck up before you call me culturally biased. I'm quite sure you don't know a goddam thing about me and I don't post the stupid shit you do.

You play the race card worse than anyone.

Fucking moron.

Careful Fresh. Shawnee might get worked up.

Let's hear it for due process! Innocent until proven guilty. Rule of law, anyone? Anyone?

I didn't think so.

Oh, I don't think that's likely. Of course, I'm hill people what do I know...;)

You can all bite me.

I never said he should be banned. Watching animals tear each other's flesh apart is sick.

So bite me.

Yeah Griff, that's what I meant. Whatever.

Shawnee - I happen to agree with you.

Sorry Shawnee, I was just kidding with you. I happen to think you're right on this.

All that applies to the legal system V, it doesn't mean people can't have an opinion. :rolleyes:

Cultural bias my ass...

Sorry guys. I tip toe around this place so much anymore. Animal cruelty is not something I can tolerate, even if they're "just some dogs, man."

It was a stupid argument.

Don't mean to get pissy with everyone...I guess I'm just used to getting made fun of when I am passionate about something.

Carry on. Pay no attention to the woman behind the curtain.

Even if there is a cultural difference there guess what.. you're a citizen of the United States and enjoy all the privilege that comes with that. So in turn, you are bound to the laws of this country whether you like it or not. Don't like the law? Do something about it to get it changed or GTFO.

Personal opinion: anybody who participates in or supports such blatant animal cruelty for sport is a bag of shit. I don't care if you're black, white, orange, green, the Queen of fucking England. It is one thing to raise animals for the pure intention of food for example. It's a whoooole 'nother to use them as pawns in a sick, bloody game that only serves as entertainment for the betting spectators and imparts terrible suffering on the dogs. Is the league in position to take action against him for "alleged" behavior? I don't think so, unless he is proven guilty by court of law. But then again, I don't know what rules and regulations he is bound to by being a member of the league so I can't say for certain the course of action they should take.

To me, this has nothing to do with football, so his football playing time should not be affected. However if the league has rules about off-field behavior, and something like this is included, then sucks for him. He knew what he was doing and thought he could get away with it. If he didn't, someone convinced him that this is legal or he just didn't know, well that's just being an idiot and there's no cure for that yet.

Don't worry about it shawnee, we all got our soft spots. Animals is one of mine as well.


Cultural my ass, this is plain inhumane:
http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petb...riumph0605.jpg

http://www.workingpitbull.com/images...ghtpicbad1.jpg

http://www.stlawrencevalleyspca.org/...es/Victim1.jpg

http://www.usanimalprotection.org/gypsy101.jpg

No it wasn't. You're passionate about this. That is what the Cellar is all about, getting it out there.

Some of them do and some of them don't. So freakin what. Many of them praise somebody else like Reggie Bush - Vick is nothing near what the make him out to be except on X-Box. He doesn't have the intellect to read and react to a complex defense by finding open receivers; all he does is run around selfishly - he'll (he'd) at best be (have been) another "Slash" or Ricky Williams - all show and no go.

You picked on the wrong people here buddy - I've been around awhile and these are typically the most open minded, honest & forthright you'll find. They may disagree with you and/or your point of view, but they will still listen and treat you with respect. You are wrong on this one - you should admit it and move on.

Uh what country is that?? You AND HE are in America buddy - and it is NOT the "national sport" here - and isn't a "sport" anywhere!

I'm gonna guess the Philippines or Bali or some such. It's quite popular over there.

"Hi, have we met?"
http://www.zeeks.com/images/features...ntomlinson.jpg

Oooohhhh - Thank you - I totally forgot about Ladainian Tomlinson! There are about probably 20 others I'd take before Vick too. He's just a glorified showboat IMO.

I didn't know he was black either until last night. I don't give a shit what you look like: torturing an animal for pleasure - cocks, dogs, pigs, cows, birds, WHATEVER - is sociopathic behavior.

Additionally, it is against the law.

To be federally indicted means they have the evidence to convict. This is not your local De-pu-tee Dawg who took a gander at them dawgs over yonder and thought something *might* be going on. These are Feds, and they don't fuck around. This is a very public figure, and I'm sure they made sure before taking the evidence to the grand jury.

This - in NO way - compares to OJ Simpson. I can't even imagine where that correlation came from.

And he is NOT the athlete of the year, nor has he lived up to expectations. But that's beside the point.

As far as his job is concerned, I can argue that no one should be fired for being indicted on - not convicted of - these charges. However, in certain professions, his extracurricular activities could potentially pose a threat, and a firing would be warranted. i.e. the Disney employee who got busted with child porn. Regardless, unless you're getting fired on the basis of a protected class (race, gender, handicap, etc.), I'm assuming the right-to-work mindset here, and an employer can fire your ass for bad publicity or whatever they want.

And thanks, Bullitt for the graphic images, making me look for my box of tissues...

Sorry for feeling differently than everyone else. But no PETA activists are going to change my view on animals, it is my own.
Yes, I guess in the states it's a crime but like the point mentioned above it has no grounds for banning him from football. That's what this thread is about initially, isn't it?

And about the race card, so sorry I am a minority therefore know nothing about the racism, all the white people know so much more about it. All white people in America have no right to talk about how I deal with race, you all have absolutely no idea about being a minority so I suggest you shut the fuck up because no argument can enlighten anyone on being a minority UNLESS you are a minority.
And if you guys found out stuff about the indictment you'd know that blacks and whites are lining up on opposite sides once again.

I'm sure THEY are! I'm not one of them though - and since you feel the right to tell me to shut the fuck up - why don't you tell me what race I am you punk ass little bitch. Get it right and I'll leave you be.

Sorry smurf!

I just thought it would be valuable to see the consequences of dog fighting. Sometimes we can get too caught up in the semantics, the word games, or debating the topic that the harsh reality is lost on people.

You don't know my heritage, so you just shut the fuck up.

You're way out of your league, here.

Work on your post. The passive-aggressive way you have of starting out anything you know will be controversial ("sorry I feel differently. Sorry I'm a minority") won't get you far. Surely you learned this in freshman comp?

Oh, and not believing God put animals on earth for abuse is a far cry from PETA.

I bet you made a lot of friends today.

I don't give a shit about friends on the cellar. This is an internet forum for discussing with people I will never meet nor plan to. This place does not ruin my day at work if an angry women calls me a fucking moron. There might be plenty of people who probably feel the same way about her here and in real life. Same goes for me, but I'm not gonna get my panties in a bunch about an INTERNET FORUM.
Some black people feel dog fighting is fine. Why? Because that is their culture, raised around rotts and pits for protection in the inner city; opposite from other peoples. Does that make them all inhumane animal torturers? That's for you to decide I guess, since I'm obviously not allowed to make any statements around here.

I'm not going to talk about race anymore because obviously no one thinks I've been through racism at the tender age of 19.

Since I'm such a bad poster here goes:

Vick should not be banned. Dog fighting has nothing to do with football. The NFL should not get involved. If the Falcons want to that is the choice they make for their own interest.

I wouldn't be surprised if when the regular season started MILLIONS of fans wave posters at Falcon games saying "SAVE MICHAEL VICK". I'll be one of them.

equals: sorry I'm such a bad poster, BUT...(watch the PA, dearie.)
Unfortunately, I am only ONE woman. Many a man has wished for multiple copies so there is more to go around. Anyway, what does my gender have to do with anything? Are you sexist. Is it OK to be sexist or racist when it suits you?

It makes those who feel dog fighting is fine inhumane animal torturers. Quit putting race into this, when you know it is irrelevant.

= just more Passive-Aggressive debate tactics. You should run for office.

I never mentioned your sex having anything to do with it. I called you out as being an angry woman. Disagree?

Race is a big thing in this, have you been watching the issue on TV? I hate it when people judge things way before they know anything about it.

:::reads through this thread for the first time:::

Wow! ... that's what I get for ignoring the Sports forum ...

Why should anyone have to research what others think about an issue before they chime in with their own opinion?

Race is a big issue in this because people have brought it in. It has no place there.
The basics of it are this: He is being investigated due to the reasonable suspicion that he has been involved with underground dog fighting, which last time I checked is illegal in the United States.

Period.

The civil penalties ride with the court's decision. This being fines, community service, possible jail time even. His penalties in regards to his profession as a pro football player for the NFL are determined by the league, to whom he answers. If they have rules and regulations determining players' behavior off the field, then he ought to have abided by them. If he thinks that certain actions do not fall under such jurisdiction, then he needs to take that up with the league and get rules changed. Whatever the league rules say about off field behavior stands regardless, and he is bound by them by being a pro football player in the NFL.

By being a signed member of an organization such as the NFL, you are bound by their rules and regulations. If you don't like it, get the rules changed or don't be a member.

End.

Of.

Story.

Culture, race, minority have nothing to do with this case. And yes fresh I know what it is like to be a minority even though am white. To say that no white person can comment on what it's like to be a minority is ignorant, sorry. Being a minority is dependent upon your surroundings. I was a minority when I was working in Panama, and yes I did get treated suspiciously and with prejudice by the some of the native Panamanian people I met at random. They counted my money to make sure I didn't short change them, cut me in line, ignored me ought right a few times, and had that "look" on their faces when they looked at me. *Disclaimer* Panama is a wonderful place, do not hesitate to go there if given the opportunity. The culture is nothing like the United States and you feel more than welcomed by 90% of the people you meet.

Fuck cultural differences. I suppose I'm a white-ass racist whitey for saying this, but: FUCK YOU and FUCK your "cultural differences" ...

pleeeeeze don't torture my cock.

I don't - and she has every right to be just like several others here. Funny you attacked the one woman who spoke out against you and no one else. (Pussy)
Racism itself IS an issue, but this thread is NOT about that - its about animal cruelty and the repercussions of participating in it.

You may try to twist it into being about race cuz thats a big thing, as I'm sure it is on tv - lemme tell you why - RACE SELLS They are marketing racism to ignorant, uninformed, apathetic dickheads and you keep sucking it up every time.

Look who the fuck is talking - Are you serious or just seriously deranged?? Never mind - I know - - - -BOTH.

You're not concerned about the difference between right and wrong, simply what is acceptable in a cultural setting? Okay, fine. You wanna do that across the board? In any era, in any culture, let's even go so far as to say things that are technically legal.

Let's start with a recent example, from American history. Hmmm... things that were legal to do, and that some people saw nothing wrong with, but caused horrible suffering for others. Can you think of anything?

As long as any cultural subset believes that an activity is okay to do, then the activity is excusable? It becomes a non-issue? The ones who disagree simply lack the proper cultural perspective? Man, are you sure about that?

Vick is screwed, he will not be allowed back into the NFL. He has been called out by enough people and I don't think the feds are going to lose in court.

Everyone can say how race isn't an issue but as long as Vick is black, it will be an issue. Since this is action that mostly inner city blacks perform, there is no way of telling of what would happen if Vick was white with the same charges so assuming there is or is not a race issue is about as efficient as proving the supernatural.

Save Michael Vick.
I guess I'll say what some white people, some black people, some every kind of person might say: "They're just some dogs."

Go ahead argue the legal stuff, but it's not like you (huge generality don't get so damn specific little bitches) don't speed on the road everyday, steal bras from Wal Mart, smoke weed, steal cable, drink and drive or jaywalk occasionally. Michael Vick has a clean record and what I intially said was he should not be banned for what he allegedly did.

I greet haters. This video will tell you why.

Keep on hatin'.

P.S. I never attacked Shawnee. She attacked me. I was countering the bad vibes Vick was getting on the previous posts. Scroll back and read before everyone assumes I attacked her.

I won't deny that I speed everyday on the road. I haven't gotten caught. But if I did I would have to pay the penalty fair and square just like anybody else, no matter my criminal record.
He's in the process of getting caught and should pay the penalty according to the law and whatever rules apply within the NFL. Simple as that.

I thought you were Asian fresh? Not a "nigga that's gettin hated on".

Bullitt yes I'm Asian....and? Your point? I'm gettin' hated on, and I embrace it. So that clip only applies to black people? No, it applies to everyone. And hating is what keeps me in my place. Katt Williams tells it how it is. yesman especially is a new hater of me and I've never said a word of slander back to him. Keep on puttin' me down and I keep on getting back up.

Bullitt you have no haters? I'm sure you do (no offense) but they are good for you.

Ah, a true gentleman. This is the kind of person that I would like to see less of in our melting pot country.

My joking sarcasm doesn't come through well on message boards it seems..

The weird thing is I still like Shawnee. Sure she called me a fucking moron and said I say the stupidest shit ever but I don't hold her against it. I get the feeling she can become very emotional, I was here for her brawl with zippy and wolf. It's all whatever to me, honestly.
So we differ on opinions on animals--so what.
yesman, his out of nowhere attacks on someone who has never read one of his posts until today---that is a different thing. But still, it's all whatever. This is an internet forum. Discuss the things you want to discuss, that's all.

Is your idea of "cultural differences" that we should always, automatically define people by the differences between them? Fuck that. We're all human. Do you think people should be excused from things that aren't acceptable in society because of their skin color? Fuck that. Fuck that, and fuck you if you feel that way. You deserve to be cussed out if you feel that way. Not because anyone "hates" you, but because you're wildly wrong.

It's true, I don't. But more to the point: I don't care. Even though you just told me about it, I still don't care. I've never heard of him before today.

1) How would I know whether you read any of my posts?
2) Who cares and why is that pertinent in ANY way?
3) I NEVER said I hated you - I actually know what that word means. Furthermore, I have very little hate in me. Hate has very little value in my life and is a negative soul destructing force reserved only for a very select few. I don't value you enough to hate you. Remember its just "an internet forum full of people you will never nor plan to meet." as you so aptly put it.

As far as attacking you - I attacked your position very strongly, yes, and I defended and supported my perspective and someone whose point of view I have learned to value & respect. Besides that, I agree with Shawnee. Many people gave their opinions as did you, yet you chose to attack her and ignore the rest of us. That just shows your cowardice and lack of respect.

You tried to turn the issue into a racial one where it did not apply at all. If it was my lifelong hero who had done it, I would still feel the same way, in fact probably worse. The fact that it was another spoiled rich athelete had NO bearing on the issue. This is about a human allegedly committing heinous acts of cruelty upon animals - PERIOD.

For you, you 19 yr old twisted little fuck, I have NO RESPECT, nor do you deserve any. Thats MY OPINION nothing more nothing less.

Yesman you didn't read the thread correctly. Shawnee attacked me first. And if you read the posts that til the very end of the exchange did I say anything directly to her, it was all about the content of the idea. You need to be more observant. Do I need to quote it?

Jesus Christ. Ignore me please, if you have no respect for me ignore me. Do it, you cunt. Ignore me, I beg you. Ignore me. I'm not even a human to you, so why are you wasting your time jabbering. Fucking ignore me you cunt. That's why it's the option is here. Your life will be better. Mine will be tons.

I bet you didn't even watch the video I posted about haters. Whatever, just don't even respond ok, please. I'm a freaking island monkey who doesn't deserve respect blah blah blah block me please. I don't know why people get so freaking riled up over other people's opinions. It's an internet forum, people will think differently from you, it doesn't revolve around your own personal values about everything. I don't go out of my way telling people my values are right and everyone elses' is wrong but apparently you cannot live with the fact that I have an opinion different from you. So please, block me. Oh yeah, and go get a life. It's pretty sad when my one opinion can cause you to automatically disapprove of everything about me, shows how shallow of a person you really are. I don't give a shit about you, you're life, how you feel about me, what happens to anyone associated with you, how you feel about animals, your affection for Shawnee I don't give a shit about any of it. So stop trying to make me feel so hated because I know I am but that doesn't affect me. I actually don't give a shit. You haven't watched the video at all. Whatever yesman, you should change your name to whateverman cause that's how I feel about you. Fucking cunt. No load of insults thrown at me or telling me how I'm the scum of the earth is going to change my opinion on this. So go gang up on someone else you insult whore. It takes a lot to make me actually call people names recently but you have done it.

I don't give a shit about you or anything that has to do with you. So block me please so you won't have to care.

I was responding to Rexmons saying he was a mediocre quarterback. And people say I don't listen....

Just some fucking dogs?

Well...I'm now officially speechless. Wait. No I'm not.

Fuckers beat otherwise healthy animals to death because they weren't good enough fighters. Those dudes *are* the animals.

If animal abuse is an acceptable cultural expression, then I guess we probably not be upset the next time some gang of suicidal psychopaths fly a plane into a building. After all, it is a valid cultural expression, and who are we to take umbrage?

Hey, what the fuck? Why have rules at all?

Anarchy, anyone?

Fresh, you answered your question.

Guess what... professional sports players are not heroes, and it's about time people woke up to that fact. They play games for money to entertain people... they are entertainers, that's all. Entertainers, not heroes.

If these people are truly doing this because of culture you can’t say they are animals because, even though I highly doubt it, they could be saints in all other aspects of life but just think this practice is OK like Fresh does. Culture is just perspective. If they are violent in other aspects of life and use culture as an excuse, then animal is a very good term.

For the record, I think dog fighting should be and remain illegalized because even though their culture allows it, it shouldn’t make it “fine” in our eyes. They are deliberately hurting animals and I personally think that it should be outlawed since I believe, as hypocritical as I am right now, animals that are closely related to use should be treated well and not tortured.


Fresh, just to help you out in the future, calling someone out for racism then later use a highly sexist word (cunt) doesn’t help you out at all.

Just a word I've been learning from my fellow dwellars.

And I never called anyone out on racism, I said race was a definite factor in the issue. Read between the lines.

As appaling as your callous attitude towards animal cruelty is, it is perhaps even worse that your TV told you what to think about this issue, and you believed it. Apparently, you got worked up about race because of flashy, sensationalistic journalism. You've been "played" by the media.

That video doesn't make any sense whatsoever. It's fucking stupid. If you think that video "says something" then you must be fucking stupid.

So far, you've regurgitated an opinion you heard on TV, and you've rebutted with a video of a comedian. Don't you have any opinions of your own?

I don't steal bras from Wal Mart. Show of hands: does anybody here steal bras from Wal Mart?

Ok Flint? They were examples you dolt. And I already told you my opinions. But you all just didn't like them.

Ok, I'm speechless.:eek3: