Good night, Cellar
 

Yes, another "I'm retiring speech." Read it or don't, your choice.

I don't know how you "regulars" do it. From my short lived experience, this place has some closeness to it that I just haven't really seen in other forums. There are a lot more older folk here too, so it seems more wise and focussed discussion here. Plus, this forum is about, life, not a specific topic.

But it is too brutal here. The people here are down right mean. And unlike other forums, you guys develop your put downs and beat people over the head with it over and over and over again. Sometimes, for self amusement. That is horrible. I mean it with all my heart. Some of the shit that is stirred here is downright awful and, right now at least, the forum is giving off a very bad aura of hate. Let me say it again, you dwellars are mean spirited and wouldn't dare say these things to people in real life. Act all coy and intelligent and as cocky as you want over an internet forum but some of you assholes wouldn't be talking so much shit for no reason except for your own personal amusement.

Remember my first cellar meta thread, treehouse club? Well I wanted to believe what everyone had said. But after seeing the recent pummelings of inhabitants such as sky and fnc by a group, again, I can see that this place needs to be refurbished. I mean one person believes something unpopular or says something "semi controversial" and one member of the treehouse club raises an eyebrow and before you know it the whole tree is knocking on the accused. Not just knocking, but assaulting to the extreme.This, as many educated people know, is group think. And the cellar has it's inner circle and outer circle. And the inner circle is very capable of group think and uses it often.

I cannot believe that no one said anything when lumberjim said here-->http://cellar.org/showthread.php?t=15470 AFTER HE HEARD I said that she was lost at WTC. No one said shit. Everyone here is too afraid to have lumberjim drop insult bombs on them (for months) to speak up. This community needs some real work if it cannot give compassion to a victim who was really hurt that someone added MORE to a very hurtful statement. And you know what? That asshole is just going to follow up this post with "well at least your mom still calls me!" And everyone will laugh and glance at each other but won't dare to call out a treehouse club member. Because lumberjim is not a decent person and he will try at every chance to tear you apart. Look how everyone turned a blind eye when he said those hurtful words to me. Look at fnc, everyone on the board is on his ass. Why? Because he dresses with apparel that you don't agree with? Why the hell do you care? Look at the earlier case with sky. You people spend time drawing pictures of an anti Sky club. You all took time to photoshop her picture to upset her. This cellar is cold, cold as ice.

Now before I leave and before you guys huddle up to decide what to say, think for yourself. Do you enjoy seeing other people torn apart because it's fun? Indifference of good people, is much worse than the evils of bad. "Oh lighten up, it's all fun!" What a bunch of bullshit. I'm not even going to address that reasoning.

And by the way, I would never want lumberjim to feel the pain I've felt. Maybe he already has, and if he did then I would never joke about it. Who would actually mean something as mean spirited as what he said? May the cosmos have pity on that person's soul.

I'm 18 years old, working full time at a grocery store trying to get into customer service management. Laugh at me, ridicule me, but then you're just proving my point of the cellar's mean spirited attitude. Aren't I just stumbling upon my own two feet on this path we call life, just like you.

Lumberjim made me cry for an hour that night. You can say all that shit about me as much as you want but as soon as you start messing with people I care about that's when the line is crossed. Especially when you come back for seconds after knowing full well the seriousness of my loss.

Sorry to go all emotional, but I'd trade everyone on this forum to have my sister back. Tell me you wouldn't do the same for your own beloved family member.

Nope. I would not murder to have my own back if that is what you are talking about.
LJ is in pain and tries to share it every chance he gets by trying to hurt others, it is his hobby, we have just all learned to ignore it. I am sorry, for my part, that it hurt you.
However, if you are going to paint the entire board with that brush, I think you should leave.
The majority of the members here are wonderful, compassionate, caring people.
You are overreacting, and that is your choice... LJ cannot make you feel anything.

@doobie,

that was awesome.

@ ragehole: shut up

wait.....lemme guess...you used to be a psychologist?
what do you mean 'we'? you got a mouse in your pocket?
i thought you were smart? this is a gag, obviously.
i CAN, however make YOU look really really stupid. over and over again.

say some more stupid shit.

LJ, how do we know this is a gag? after 3.5 years of reading your posts i'm fairly confident in saying i don't believe you'd purposely rip on a guy/dead sister unless you were sure it was BS (a la Mari**ko) but what has tipped you off?

lookout....if you read that....

i cracked on his sister in a totally random fashion. just to interest him. i even said it right there in that post.

then he came back with she died in 9-11. which i assume is total BS, and even if it wasnt.....wtf? like i was supposed to know that...and like it would matter anyway. so....i crack back...and then this?

he said he was bored and looking to connect....dont fall for it.

Very well put, Jeb. Don't blame you one bit. I have felt the same. And yet, there is worthwhile discussion and there are worthwhile people here.

Well, he must be a poet because I couldn't pseudo write this poem about my sister. Here

Nobody said shit, jeb?

You know, except, uh, well, me?

Lumberjim, be concerned but don't worry. In the linked thread, Jeboduuza didn't hesitate to call you a dickhead before any spurious reference to a (hypothetical) sister was made. After your rebuttal, the sympathy card was quickly played in Jeboduuza's next post and now follows this display of general distain designed to manipulate others into retaliation against you. This is neither in character for someone who's signature line is "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it. -Voltaire" nor is it in character for for someone who has weathered a tragic loss due to violence after this amount of time.

My first impression in the linked thread was that Jeboduuza's claim was a retaliatory hoax. This farewell thread raises the possibility that Jeboduuza is a very sheltered and/or immature person for an alleged 18 year old.

I found Jeboduuza's departure to be appropriate in the instant of reading the initial post of this thread.


@ freshnesschronic: Jeboduuza posted that just 22 MINUTES after he played the sympathy card. Think - manipulation of the gullible.

@ Ibram: You and others.

Except that practically ever post after that was by someone telling LJ they thought he'd gone too far.

Jeb, sorry you haven't enjoyed the Cellar. Sorry to hear of your loss. Sorry that you're leaving. But...

Group think? No. What you have in the Cellar is a fairly sizeable little community of individuals. Those individuals occassionally break into little cliques and factions. Those cliques and factions are not set in stone, they shift and change with the wind. That's what happens in communities (if they're a real community that is).

You think we're all so scared of LJ? Oh come on. I am so tired of hearing that particular drum-beat. Yes, Lj can be a twat. Yes, he can often be found at the centre of a clique or group who are in friction with another clique, group, or individual. Is he somehow controlling the Cellar? no of course he fucking isn't.

Jeb, the Cellar is a robust place. I'm sorry you decided you can't stay here, but you may have made the right decision.

:::ring ring ring::: Hello?
Yes, this is a ten-foot-pole calling, would you like to touch this with me?
I'm sorry, you have the wrong number. Also, please take me off your list.

I'm guilty.

I thought LJ's initial post was mildly funny.

Jeb's response that "She's dead, you jerk." is the standard response (a lie) to a "mother joke." I didn't think it was true. Apparently neither did LJ.

Then LJ's comment about the mom after that made me snort. Most people would have let it drop at that point because of the very slim possibility that the sister really was dead, but LJ is confident in his BS detector. He figured it was a lie and he went for the big laugh. I found it to be quite funny in a shocking sort of way.

Maybe the sister did die in the WTC. If so, then what LJ said was terrible. But I think it's unlikely. This thread has me wondering though.

WHY is it terrible?

why would it be more terrible than if she had died in her bed of pnemonia? or ass cancer or something? because the media has brainwashed you into associating everything having anything to do with 9-11 as being sacred for some reason. you know it, and it still works on you. man....that's some powerful shit, that propaganda. you could probably convince a nation of people that it makes sense to invade another country.....oh wait..... come to think of it....some of you are probably wanting to invade me right about now? aren'tcha?

could be mildly funny, but horribly crude, in my opinion.
understood. I took it at face value, having no other good reason to believe otherwise.
same here, except quite shocking. different senses of humor.
Here I have to agree with what lj said. if the sister did die in the WTC, then terrible. But if I put myself in J's shoes, and my sister who I know didn't die in WTC were the subject of the same remarks, I would still find them crude, offensive and unfunny. The actual facts about the sister doesn't change that for me.

Golden rule, Occam's razor ... why be mean, unnecessarily?

Beats me, but it is. Otherwise the "She'd dead, you jerk!" response wouldn't have the power that it does. If it's a WTC death, then that just adds to the power. Probably because it's a national loss in addition to the personal one. It's almost sacred.

For the record, I don't think it's true, so it doesn't matter.

A buddy made a crack about my grandmother the other day. She died of cancer. Did I make a big deal about it? No. Did it make me think about her and miss her for a awhile? Sure. But my friend didn't know and it really didn't matter. HE WAS MAKING A JOKE! Dead grandmother aside, it was funny. There was no need for him to feel bad about it. My uncle was a paramedic who died in the line of duty. Does that make all paramedic jokes or uncle jokes off limits? No. My wife has died on the operating table. Twice. But both times was brought back (srsly) and, probably, will not live to get really old with me. Does that mean I don't joke with her about her dying so I can hook up with some hot nanny I would hire to take care of the kids? No. SHE STILL HAS A SENSE OF HUMOR!

Jeb - if you sister died, that is sad. Sorry for your loss, but if you really think that lj was making a real crack about your actual sister, you have some serious growing up to do. My guess is that he didn't even know you had a sister.

I am not defending lj here. He is a bid boy and can obviously do that on his own. I just think think you need some perspective.

I agree. It's not a comment I would make, but the guy did insult LJ earlier and it was a comeback.

Good point, but LJ didn't start it.

Points for continuity, but passes caught while out of bounds do not advance the ball.
Hm. Is that a valid defense in the House of glatt when a dispute arises among the children? should lj be held to that standard? A higher one?

Why? You have absolutely no factual basis that it's true or not true.

please. get real. this is retarded. you both know me. you both know im right about this. bigv, your sister's ass is even tighter than glatt's ass.

jeboduuza is one of my sock puppets. gotcha.

See, it's still horribly crude. It's still not funny. Still caught, still out of bounds. Thankfully, it is not my job or my quest to teach you manners. You have your manners. I find some of them funny, some of them crude. On the balance, I like you. But I like you *despite* shit like this, not because of it.

Which means that your other qualities are superlative, because I find this part of you reprehensible.

I have no idea if that's true or not, but it doesn't effect Glatt's statement. What he said has no basis in reason. Then again, maybe Glatt is one of your sock puppets. In fact every poster on here could be one of your sock puppets, and you could be Tyler Durden, for all I know.

well.....how do you feel about my bunghole?

Stretched out of shape.

Dude, Lj is my sock puppet. That's why he's so funny.

Then keep him in your pants, man.

My factual basis is that the "standard" response to "your mama" jokes is to say "she's dead, you jerk." This is simple comedy 101. It's in the book. Look it up. I've known this fact for at least 25 years.

Wait a minute, I thought you were my sock puppet as well. Crap, I need a scorecard.

just cuz YOU can't touch the sides.....

Actually, UT is the only real poster on this board. He is schizophrenic and we are his personalities.

Me too? Holy shit, that explains everything....

He finds it prehensile?

... with this 2 liter bottle I have in my hand...

Among your many positive qualities is a bit of mystery. Thankfully, this falls into that category.

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Which means, by extension, that I like it. Eww.
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gently, with my neatly manicured fingernails
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yor mama!
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Better than glatt's and my sister's put together!
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As a turtleneck, it suits you perfectly. But you have it on upside down.
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top-hole!

THAT ONE!

So it's ok for LJ to be mean because Jeb was mean first? That's an argument I wouldn't accept from a fifth grader, much less a grown man.

Whether Jeb's story is the truth or not, I think Jeb is right in this respect. There's a lot of mean-spiritedness and one upmanship floating around the Cellar these days. It's the main reason I don't spend much time here these days.

It seems I can't resist putting my two cents in from time-to-time, though. So I compromise by skipping the inane and mean threads.

like this one?

I guess i should point out that its really shitty to post an i'm leaving thread and try to lay it at the feet of a particular person. especially in this case, where you're flagrantly lying.

most people are sitting back.....biding time....waiting for more info. not sure of whether or not they should belive jeb, or lj. maybe some believed me when i said he was my sockpuppet(he's not. i was lying to suxx)but most are carefully riding the fence here. mayhap, we'll never know.....but if one thing is reliable about I'm leaving threads......the author WILL be back to read it.

cmon.

I never said it was "OK." I was pointing out that it wasn't unprovoked. But yes, the "he started it" defense doesn't work.

To be forthright, I think part of the reason I didn't find LJ's initial comment all that shocking or bad is that when I was in college years ago, my buddies and I used to make "your mother" jokes to each other often. It was acceptable and didn't mean anything other than a joke. So to me, there's nothing bad in his joke. I also only found it mildly amusing for the same reason. I'd heard all the "your mother" jokes already. The second comment he made, after the WTC bit was something I'd never heard before, so that's probably why I found it to be shockingly funny. It was so over the top I had to laugh.

It seems clear that it had a greater impact on others here, and I accept that. I also wish I hadn't brought it up, because LJ is perfectly capable of defending himself, if he even wants to.

The Cellar has had a bit of a bad vibe lately, but I don't think this incident is a good example of it.

Initially, like glatt, I assumed that it was a lie--standard response to a "yo mama" joke. I myself have used this response, complete with believable tears and running out of the room, because it's funny as all shit to watch people backpedal in panic.

With the poem, and now this grand demonstration of a thread, I think it probably is true, but that doesn't really change the way things played out for me. Theotherguy said it all:

It comes up again and again here that some people are allowed to be mean, and others are not. It's not true, because there is a difference in the intent of each person's meanness. Recently lumberjim went off on a tangent about me hypothetically pissing my pants. He wasn't being mean. He was being funny, and I laughed, and responded with more humor.* But I guaran-fucking-tee you if he'd made the crack to, say, skysidhe, all of a sudden half the people on here would be going on about how mean he is. The truth is, he teases people he likes, and he "gets away with it" because he's been here long enough that most of us know his personality.

He's happiest when people give as good as they get, don't you see that? Spexx, for example, seems to be slowly accepting this, and I look forward to the day that he can drop that last inch of resentment and begrudgingly realize he's actually having fun with all the back-and-forth.


*In truth, I honest-to-God considered a response along the lines of, "Dude, I wet my pants at the WTC! NOT COOL!" but I figured it wasn't worth it to fan the flames.

There is nothing dictating people's behavior here according to an arbitrary, conspiratorial system.

I sho' loves me some clodfobble. jinx, if you ever dump me for bruce....I'm moving to texas.

I just spit Coke out on my desk. You make me cry. In a good way.

The conspiracy has conditioned you to believe that.

There's been at least two occasions where I've declined to post a joking response to something, specifically because I thought it possibly might be too offensive towards women, only to have CLODFOBBLE come in and post pretty much the same gag, that I discarded as too offensive! What a freak!

Naw. I consider this one more of a meta discussion. Plus I skipped some stuff.

Jeb has been nothing but a friggin' whiner since day one of his join date. I swear, he had the 'poor me, and you guys all suck!' schtick down to an art form, culminating in the 9/11 victim claim and subsequent boo-hoo poetry and good-bye thread. It was fun to read sometimes, though. Sometimes.

there's an awful lot of justification and excuses being made for mean-spirited posts.

Aw, we really didn't mean it--it was just a joke!

Aw, the guy/gal's just a crybaby!

Sorry, but I don't buy it. Meanness is meanness, whether you justify it to yourself or not.

Well said.

3rded, Cloud.

Hey, are you guys forming a clique?

How do I join?

You need to whine more.....

No, we need to drink more wine!

That too, but you gotta be careful with the legal drinking age thing....

VIRTUAL wine surely runs afoul of no laws, hmm?

Well I am glad I have never been accused of being a dick or an asshole.

Pass the popcorn.

Zing! :D