PETA
 

Ok, I just finished watching the national spokes person for PETA speak on CNN about the tragic injury and subsequent death of the horse at the KD. This idiot said she cares more about horses in any event in the industry, not to just include racing, than the reputation and livelyhood of the jockey who rode the horse "8 Bells". Someone needs to dig up some dirt on that lady and ruin her livelyhood on nothingness and see how she likes it. PETA people are total idiots and should be considered domestic terrorists.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

Didn't we have a PETA nutjob in the cellar a few years ago? She stomped out over something if I remember correctly.

Yeah, we did.

Can't remember her name.

PETA: People for the Eating of Tasty Animals

Here is their website:

http://www.mtd.com/tasty/

Last updated in 1996!

eh, meat eater are meat eaters. Pass me the burgers.

It's heartbreaking to see a champion destroyed. We had a very similar situation here a couple of years back.

While I can understand the perspective of PETA advocates, I disagree with their methods. I'd also like to point out to them that society is what it is because of our reliance on beasts of burden throughout history.

Also, what about the fact that many animals used in the sporting arena enjoy their competition and live for the race or the game etc. Sometimes they are injured or die doing the thing they love, just as human athletes do.

While I admire PETA's persistance - and the fact they get people nekkid - I think they are nut jobs. It's a considered opinion.

I'm not giving up my pets and I see no reason to. Domesticated animals have far better lives than feral ones, and if that's due to years of selective breeding then so be it - we can't go back in time. And yes, while I agree wholeheartedly that livestock should be treated with respect I have no intention of not eating them. If I do it will be a personal decision and not influenced by knowing where my meat comes from and how it is raised and slaughtered. I am intelligent enough to research that myself thank you.

Also, anyone that values an animal's life above a human's is morally bankrupt.

And they only seem to get women nekkid anyway. Sexists.

I will care about animal rights when people start caring about human rights.

Ever since this nasty ad they tried to have aired, I have not liked Peta...Loves animals, obviously hates women. I think women are awesome...so they can go...you know...go do that to themselves..

Nasty and degrading:
http://www.spike.com/video/peta-got-milk-ad/2692975

PETA was founded, and is run by, a woman.

Can't see the ad :(
All I can read is the bad spelling (on both sides of the argument).

A cull is in order!

PeTA was co-founded by Ingrid Newkirk and Alex Pacheco. Although I once donated to the group, I withdrew my money when their tactics became unacceptable and they became a force that seemed to serve to further solidify the opposition - the 'animals are ours to do with as we want' factions. PeTA's public image became one of fanaticism and antagonism with no regard for the rights of human animals. That sort of public profile makes all animal rights supporters look bad. And that's not good for the animals.

Garnet. I liked her.

This statement troubles me a bit, because on the relative scale of things I think she's right. We're talking about the practice of an entire industry and the mistreatment of thousands of animals v. one guy's suspension. I tend to agree that the scales tip in favor of the animals here--after all, they're not breeding dangerous unstable physiology into jockeys.

That said, I don't think it's the jockey's fault--it's the industry and breeders as a whole, who are breeding animals with "ankles like glass" for their own amusement.

I don't like PETA's tactics, but I'm glad somebody is advocating for animals.

And they are just chasing the money that we, the public, are throwing at them. And yet, if I went to the tracks or watched a race on TV, I wouldn't feel responsible for the horses, because I'm just a spectator.

yes, that's a good point, glatt. Either way, the horses are suffering for people's greed. Put that way, the suspension of the jockey is an apt monetary punishment--although I think it would be better aimed at the owner of the horse.

Bull shit. Stuff happens. This is the sport. They can protest all they want but why allow their idiocy affect the behaivor of a hundreds year old sport. More PC gone wild. Just tell the PETA people that they don't have to come to the track and bet.

a hundreds year old sport? try thousands, and those ancestral horses ran just fine without overbreeding and such severe instability. Sorry, but I can't agree.

The idea that the horses are bred for skinny legs that do not support their weight in the races is a straw man argument foisted by the likes of PETA to make their case. I just don't buy it.

well, I'm not going to support the peta people, because they are so out of line, but I don't understand how this could happen. why did both those horse's ankles just snap? why did Barbaro's ankles shatter? the "ankles like glass" comment didn't come from the peta people (it came from another news story, which I can't find right now). The racing industry is saying, "well that just happens. horses have always gotten hurt." I'm not sure I buy that either.

just trying to understand. I was even contemplating going one day to see the Kentucky Derby--now I'm not sure I want to. That would be a dream trip, and to have it end like that would be a nightmare.

'tis true. Everytime I read something about PETA, I get an urge to messily devour something cute, cuddly, and alive right in front of one of their stupid protests. And I love animals.

Anyone remember this article? I thought it was hilarious, and not in the way the author meant it to be hilarious.

My sister works at an equine facility (university veterinary hospital) and the vets maintain that humans trying to breed a faster horse have compromised the animal's basic structure, particularly skeletal development. Combine that with heavy training, running while carrying weight, and their immaturity spells doom for some of those animals.

Of course, the vets generally only see horses that are harmed by racing, but I tend to believe that they are sincerely concerned.

Anyone remember this?

Parts 1, 2, & 3:




I like my cats and my dogs, and would never want anything happen to them, but at the same time, I know that the animals are basically running the same risks humans are. We're just as much part of the food chain as they are, and there is almost no difference in testing on animals and testing on humans.

Thanks Drax - interesting if slightly too strident for my taste.

You know, when horses live as the wild animals they once were and still are, their risk of death and destruction are far higher every day (and far less humane in general), even than that for racehorses who one must say, are among the most pampered of all animals. Except maybe for Paris's dog.

That doesn't mean that she, or the members of her staff, don't hate women. In fact, I'm getting the idea that they prefer animals to anyone..this includes women.

I think the commercial makes their values very clear. They were very proud of it whilst everyone else was f'ing disgusted.

Human interference with natural breeding and selection is hardly ever of direct benefit to the animals. Over-nutrition and other luxuries compound the health issues. So sure, race horses lead pampered lives ~ but only because they often lack the hardiness to survive without artificially high standards for feed, medical care, and other basics. I think it's less fair to an animal to breed them into total reliance on human care than to let nature takes its course - or its horse.

I've seen plenty of racehorses go ferral without too much trouble. I don't agree with your argument. I don't believe it's factual.

And I agree. That PETA are a bunch of crazy zealots of a new, if retarded, religion. Tipsily agree. Which just means 100% yes. Tipsy. Tuesday. Alliteration.

It's great that you agree, but we might need some clarification on what exactly it is that you're agreeing with. lol

Where are race horses thriving while feral? I'm asking.

Well, I live in Australia, and there are a lot of stockhorses which originated as failed racehorses. When mustering is finished these horses are let out into the paddocks to fend for themselves till next year when the stockmen come in. That's about 9 months of the year they live in the paddocks and fend for themselves. You can take my word on the fact that most of them are quite ferral when they're brought in again.

Also, the australian stockhorse which is a breed in itself also takes its heritage from thoroughbreds.

I grew up in a state in the USA that had a lot of quarter horses, standardbreds, and thoroughbreds. Quarter horses were adaptable for other work or as family pets, standardbreds were often purchased by the Amish for use in their buggies, but thoroughbreds had a hard time after the race track gig. Their temperaments, upkeep, and health issues were problems. Perhaps if they could join a herd of regular horses they'd have a chance of fitting in. Didn't happen there, though.

I don't think they hate women, they are just more than willing degrade them, or anyone else, to promote their cause. I agree they value animals more than people, I even think they have stated so. Something like the animals need protecting and people can fend for themselves. Obviously a twisted bunch.

#1 Sign of a woman hater..Someone willing to degrade them in such a visually detailed and costly manner, for the sake of an inane arguement. Yes. The fact that they hate everyone is more acccurate, but they didn't take such pains to evidence that, than in this case.

xob loves my cock!! (edit malfunction)

I should have added a smilie.

I should have edited sooner...
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Woah, how did this thread get naughty so quickly?

Well, any threads that have Bruce or Brianna posts in them are automatically PG-13...the more they speak, the faster it goes to R. :D

My brother is an equine surgeon in Charolette, NC. He has been working on horse for 20 years, including race horses. He says it this idea that the animal in question was not prepared or capable of racing is overblown and that the notion that they are being bread out of proportion is incorrect.

I used to work (waitress) with the woman who became the vet that helped Barbaro when he was injured the first time and I think PETA is teh suxor.

:D

PeTA is the strongest example I know of the kind of thing I rail against in the Cellar all the time: people's ideologies forcing them into stupidity and keeping them there. Anyone remember PeTA and Fish Kill, NY?

The PeTA people act like they have no more than a sunny-day IQ, and they do that repeatedly and persistently.