Cellar Shooters
 

I'm looking at you Merc and UG and whoever else.

Stag Arms Model 3.


Thoughts? Planning on getting into rifle target shooting, always loved trap shooting with a 12gauge but I'm more interested in grouping shots at distance and moving on to "tactical" exercises. Interested in distances 50yds and out to start. Or should I take the plunge and buy a separate upper and lower and build the thing myself.

Paging Mr. Slang and Ms. Wolf...

safari arms has some nice choices Right out of the box

You're gonna shoot your eye out. :headshake

Oh, Bruce, really!

Okay, so Bullitt likes Eugene Stoner's direct gas action. Within about 350-400 meters seems to be the 5.56mm round's strength for fine target shooting. Its military effective range is considered to be 450.

And he's scoping the critter. Conventional wisdom is lower-magnification scopes would be the optical sight for tactical if you're scoping. Otherwise, an electro-optical thing like an Aimpoint, for tactical shooting.

Getting upper and lower halves becomes an exercise in gunsmithing and trying to do gunsmithing pretty much better than anybody else, if you're going to actually achieve a contest-winning target rifle. This is a whole 'nother skillset from picking the thing up and shooting straight. Well, if you've got that kind of shop, you know better than I do how you'd go about it.

If I had that kind of gunsmithing shop and skill and was looking to step up thataway, I'd get the whole rifle first, shoot with that a good lot, and then get the upper and lower receiver, impressively accurate barrel and desirable bolt and trigger groups, and whatever whizbang buffer is being touted -- the second rifle, assembled per my personal tweaks. More money, but more guns too.

"It's just an eye. The gods saw fit to bless me with a spare."

I'm thinking of starting scoping, get used to the rifle and its quirks and then try slapping on a red-dot and doing the tactical thing.

My limited but building knowledge is coming from ar15.com, where they made it out to be not too difficult to assemble your own weapon from scratch. I don't have any gunsmithing materials in my house, so that seems out of the question now. Last person to own a gun in my family was my great-grandfather in WWI.

What do you personally prefer shooting UG? Gun, caliber, etc.

And hey, half-price discount on that LASIK surgery!

i love it when threads merge.

Yep, actual shooters will give you first hand info.

I actually was shot in the eye with a BB gun when working at a Scout camp. Luckily, it was a riccochet, so I didn't have to rely on my spare for more than a couple hours.

Not what I was expecting or hoping for when i saw the title of this thread. :D

Me personally I don't like the stock set up or the length of the barrel on that Stag for target shooting.

I've shot competitively at the Army Small Arms competition, the Inter service Match, and the National Match. I continue to shoot EIC matches, we are able to shoot up to 4 in any calendar year. I'm not sure what to recommend, I have been duly challenged shooting the service rifle. There are a few brands that make a match service rifle that does pretty well out of the box. Rock River and Bushmaster comes to mind off the top of my head, but there are more. Google match service rifle. You will be forced to shoot iron sights for competition, this will teach you proper shooting technique, I think this is better to learn before shooting with optics.


The Civilian Marksmanship Program, or CMP, hold competitions all over the states as does the NRA. Competition distances are 200, 300, and 600 yards. 70 grain 5.56 rounds, with a match rifle are very accurate out to 600 yards. (550 m) Although I've done fairly well with a "rack" rifle at the same distance with 55 grain rounds. You will also need to look into a good leather sling, spotting scope, a shooting jacket, and some gloves if you want to be competitive down the line. These are not necessary to start out, but they will certainly help. Especially the sling, don't skimp. Some kind of "shooting stool" will also make life easier on the range.

If you do want to get into target shooting with the service style rifle, let me know and I can send you some info on wind, weather and ballistics. You will need to learn some simple math, and how to think in mils. Or fractions of a degree. The circles on a target used in target shooting are set up so that you can quickly and effectivly figure out how many mils up/down, left/right to adjust for wind, weather, lighting etc...

Damn, too late to edit. When I said mils in the earlier post, I meant minutes of angle, and fractions of minutes of angle. Usually .25 and .5, to full minutes. It takes a little getting used to, but the math is pretty easy.

I'm your go-to-girl for pistols, but rifles are not my area of expertise. I have heard very good things about Anschutz and Sako.

I like this thread.

I had never shot a gun (besides a pellet gun and a few squirt guns) until Labor Day weekend. My husband, who has been shooting them all his life, bought a 12 gauge the week before and we took it up to the cabin in the mountains to try it out. I will say that my opinion about guns has changed so much since he taught me how to use it. Now I am very excited to learn more about different kinds of guns and how to use them. Thanks for posting this thread, Bullitt.

My bro taught me how to shoot a BB gun. I shot the head off of a dragon fly about 10ft away. That was my best day ever. He also taught me how to shoot a bow and arrow, it was all the bows fault the arrow didn't hit the target.

Thanks for the info guys. There's a decent size gun show coming up the end of this month at the county fair grounds. Going to hit that up with a buddy of mine who wants to get more involved in shooting also and see what we like/feels comfortable.

from Soundchain

Buy what you want but the rifle still won't open a padlock.

I question their testing methodology. The locks need to be up against a solid surface, so they can't swing with the impact.

why?

That's why you just shoot the hasp off. The hasp is the weakest part of any padlocked system.

Looks like a shotgun slug was pretty effective, though.

I agree with Flint's criticism. If there was a solid backing, the entire energy of the bullet would be absorbed by the lock and associated system, causing much greater damage.

To be accurate, I've never seen a lock that did not have some kind of backstop, like the door. I'd like to see the film of shooting locks that have a 1 to 2 inch thick board behind them. I bet the out come would be different.

so grab yer rifles and pistols, a board and a few padlocks. Head out to the range and take video!

thought this was going to be a recipe for shots (drinks).

drat.

I don't have time right now, when I do I'll post the video here for all to see. Could be up to a year, so you have a while to wait.

Um, why must we wait? A YEAR??? That's a long time to wait for you to blow some padlocks to Kingdom Come.

We'll forget all about this by then!

Hunting season is coming up...go sight in on the locks and show us sooner!

Dude, I'm in school until mid Dec. Daily schedule is 6 in the morning until around 5 at night. The range(s) I would use are not available on the week ends. I'll most likely deploy in Jan for about 6 months. The soonest I could see me doing this is next summer. Maybe we could convince another dweller to shoot some locks?

Wellll, OK then

Army then?

Yea, I'm in the Army.

Why shoot a master lock? Just take a file or grinder and cut the heads off rivets. Then a chisel and peel the plates off. Trust me. I lost the key to a lock once and had to cut it off. So I did this just for the hell of it.

Because it's there!

Oh, my. About every sort of shooting has its points, and I appreciate most of 'em, though I can't claim a great depth of experience in any.

Of late, it's mainly been semiauto hand guns, as the one revolver I possess is incipient -- a blackpowder Remington .44 Army 1858 replica. It's a kit to finish and blue yourself. I'm considering having at least the chambers, and likely the bore, hard chromed as an anticorrosion measure, then go for a nice oldfashioned bluing job -- a rather civilian sort of revolver.

What I take to the range (all too few times these days) is my .22 Ruger Mk II to burn up a box at least, preferably two, on fundamentals -- front sight, press; trigger control; stance -- the wherewithal of the Zen-archery kind of shooting that is NRA bullseye. Then some .45 for dessert. I'm a Jeff Cooper fan and favor 1911s, owning two. These are also the fighting guns for the house.

I'm interested in IDPA shooting, not being ready to afford Steel Challenge raceguns. Yet. But the basicness of International Defensive Pistol -- combat shooting competitions with iron-sighted pistols that look like real guns and not ray guns -- appeals very strongly, not least because it's easy to budget.

Well, those are the ergonomic, highly efficient kind of bang-bang. Something much slower paced and genteel like smoking a pipe instead of cigarettes is my blackpowder .54 cal. Italian Hawken, whose only two unsatisfactory points are its exceedingly coarse set trigger (I don't mind it heavy, it's supposed to be, but gritty won't do) and, in common with any Hawken, way too tall a front sight as issued (this was an issue even back in the Plains buffalo hunter days; the antique Hawkens generally had their front sights filed down) which causes the piece to shoot low if you take a six o'clock hold or a center hold. I have to park the sight on the 12 o'clock of the bull. If you're not trying to do 3-a-minute military musket volleys, it's an easy-paced, rather meditative sort of shooting, concentrating a good deal upon your shot, because you only have one. It replicates the internal combustion engine's Otto cycle: intake as you load, compression as you ram the load home with the ramrod, combustion after you've set the percussion cap upon the nipple and brought the hammer (not the cock; that's flintlocks, which do not have hammers) to full-cock, and exhaust, blowing the smoke out of the barrel -- suck-squeeze-bang-blow -- and not so incidentally burning out any possible lingering embers from the black powder. This can happen, and you only need it to happen once! Which is a darn good reason to make sure the bore is NEVER EVER EVER pointed at your face during loading and shooting, but is always off to one side a bit. Guys used to blow themselves up all the time getting fire around the powder keg, and getting blasted by sixty to a hundred grains of Pyrodex or regular black powder is not much nicer or much better for the complexion.