US Military question
 

Why aren't the Marines part of the Navy?

They are.

Not according to what I've been learning from the National Airforce museum and other places -they're a separate branch of the military. there's the army, navy, airforce and marines. 4 parts. They recruit separately. if they were part of the navy, wouldn't the recruiting come from within?

The Coast Guard is the fourth branch. The Marines were established a month after the Navy, to provide navel infantry as protection for the fleet. That evolved into amphibious forces but although they have their own command structure, The Commandant of the Marine Corps reports to the Secretary of the Navy.

Hmmm thanks. I saw the coastguard and one other as 5th and 6th, but that patch makes it pretty clear. Why do they recruit separately and have their own website/offices, then?

....the other was the reserves. Which I would guess is really part of the army?

The marines don't like associating with seamen. They're like totally ghey.

oh wow! Thanks, I think you just saved me from a major social faux pas. I had no idea it was divided that way. How progressive to have one force for each sexual orientation --much better than "don't ask don't tell." What about the women, though? Do they all have to be marines or all navy, or does it depend on their sexual orientation too? And if so do the carpet munchers go with the gheys, or with the marines?

The two are combined at the Presidential cabinet level in that they both fall under the Secretary of the Navy. The Army and the Air Force have their own Secretaries. In all other respects the Corps acts as its own branch of the armed forces.

The Marine Corps is one part of the Department of the Navy, just like the Navy is one part of the Department of the Navy. Both report to the Secretary of the Navy (a civilian). In other words, the Commandant does not report to the Navy.

Also, many people are surprised that some of the graduates from Annapolis become Marines. Here again it is the same thing. Annapolis is not the Navy Academy, it is the Naval Academy (meaning serves both naval branches).

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Though the armed services of the United States number only five, under Title 10, Title 16, Title 32, and Title 42 of the U.S. Code, there are actually seven uniformed services.
The five armed services, four under the Department of Defense (DOD) and one under the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), are well known to most Americans.


Department of Defense


The US Army, founded June 16, 1775, is the oldest of the armed services.


The US Navy, established October 13, 1775, was abolished in February 1781, but reinstated September 7, 1781.


The US Marine Corps, established November 10, 1775 as sharpshooters (marine infantry) aboard naval vessels, is technically a part of the Navy Department. The Marine Corps, however, has its own air arm, and operates as an independent military service.


The US Air Force was established September 18, 1947 as part of the Defense Reorganization Act. It was formerly known as the US Army Air Corps and was part of the Department of the Army.


Department of Homeland Security

The US Coast Guard was established August 19, 1790, as the Revenue and Cutter Service under the Department of Treasury. It was subsequently moved to the Transportation Department and, in the wake of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on New York City and Washington, DC, when the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) was formed, it was transferred to that department. The Coast Guard functions under the authority of Title 32 or the US Code, and state control except in time of war when it is transferred to DOD where it operates as an element of the Department of Navy.


The two additional uniformed services, perhaps less well known to many Americans, are:

The US Public Health Service (USPHS) Commissioned Corps. USPHS was established in 1889 as a network of hospitals and treatment facilities for sailors. It operates under the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), and runs a number of US Health Service hospitals throughout the United States.


The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), formerly the Coast and Geodetic Survey, was established in 1917, and operates under the Department of Commerce (DOC).


USPHS and NOAA differ from the armed services in they consist entirely of commissioned ranks, and have no enlisted personnel. Their uniforms are based on navy uniforms, but each service has its own unique insignia. They operate under the same military regulations as the armed services, except that they are only subject to the Uniformed Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) when they are detailed to the armed forces.
The purpose of commissioning NOAA (when it was the Coast and Geodetic Survey) was to prevent its personnel from being treated as spies should they be captured when carrying out battlefield surveys.

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So, yes. The Marine Corps is a department of the Navy.
The Mens Department.

They're also known as militant omphaloskeptics.

Semper Fi

There are two ways to win a battle in the armed forces....
1. The Marine way: Go ahead and kick their asses and get it over with.
2. The Navy way: Call the Marines.

Srsly... Each branch is equally important in its own capacity. Like spokes in a wheel. God bless America.
As you were.

Thanks CG, that's what I needed.

That's how I look at it.

By your leave, sir.

No problem.
Just trying to be helpful.

since when? You live in NJ j/k :)

(I'm an ex-NJ resident)

You too??

Where in NJ?

hehehe... probably not meant to be funny but I thought it was

I actually wanted to join the Air Force at one time....alooong time ago.

Yep... just an old joke from jarhead jargon.

When you get hurt in the field, the most beautiful thing you'll ever see is a Navy Corpsman. Trust me.

the weather geeks wear uniforms? I didn't know that!

I know the ones on boats do.

yuppers - I'm one of the luck who escaped.
Union County

Heh, I too escaped NJ, twice. The first time I left I swore I would never go back. And then the Army sent me there for 2 years. Bastards.

You are 100% correct, sir.

Heh, heh.
That'll learn ya.

As a proud veteran of the U.S. Navy, I feel compelled to point out that "marine" is actually an acronym for My Ass Rides in Navy Equipment--or for those who have served with them, Muscles Are Required, Intelligence Not Expected.

Having said that--everything you've heard about the Navy is true...as it is for all the armed services. We're really amazing people ;)

Fair winds and following seas, semper fi, oo-rah.

Everything we've heard about the navy is true? :P


Incidentally: could someone explain where th term Jarhead comes from?

:lol:

:lol2:

Everything would be really amazing.

A member of the United States Marine Corps. When used by civilians it could be considered derogatory, but it is used often among Marines.

The term originates from the "high and tight" haircut that many Marines have, which makes their head look like a jar. It did NOT originate from their uniform or cover.


from www.urbandictionary.com

Buzzcuts, standard issue for Marines. Has the unfortunate side effect of making their heads look like jars.

Navy folk were called squids. Squids come in two flavors--pollywogs, or sailors who hadn't sailed across the equator yet, and shellbacks, those who had. Crossing the equator used to be a lot of fun, before the navy cracked down on hazing (initiation rights, similar to pledge week for fraternities). There's be a full day of sailors proving themselves worthy of the Golden Order of Shellbacks--activities ranged from sitting in a dryer all day and saying "cuckoo" anytime someone opened it, to taping flipflops to your elbows and knees and crawling all over the ship, to being strung upside-down and serving as a drawing board for the ops room. The captain would don his King Triton outfit and lord about the place for the day. The ritual sounds brutal, but it was all about the camaraderie and sense of belonging that came after. You really get to know people when you go through hell together.

/unintentional-recruitment-rant

EDIT: Yeah, what monster said.

Welcome, hackhelios, btw :)

Danke! I couldn't find a newbie thread, so I just sorta jumped in. Thanks for letting me crash the party. :D

Bite. That's just the sort of newb we like :D


(That was supposed to be Bitte, but I decided I liked the typo better! :lol:)

I would never survive in that environment.

It sounds rougher than it is--at the end of the day, it's a job.

Unless you mean the camaraderie would kill you. In which case, my sympathies. I hear we're approaching 7 billion people now.

Don't worry swabby... we'll call you if we need a ride to the fight. And you can take us all back home when we've won.

Welcome to the Cellar. Ooh Rah. As you were.

Hackhelios, I must take exception to your description of the Shellback initiation.

On my second ship, the Captain was a 'wog too, and he was required to go through the initiation just liked the rest of us. King Neptune was played by the fattest Shellback we had. We were all required to crawl through rotting garbage along the starboard side, all the way to the King, who sat at the aft end (approx 200 ft) with a cherry in his navel, which we were required to eat sans hands. He "helped" by grinding our faces in deep so we didn't miss the cherry.
Captain included. But all did remember that afterwards he put on his charlie oscar hat and payback is a bitch!

No one is excluded from that initiation, even officers. And this was after the "crackdown". We did skip the Bluenose initiation and the Order of the Rock and the Sandbox were gimees.

Also, no one has the balls to mess with the Chiefs' Initiation. No one.

Brian "USN, ret. Shellback" R

I got my shell back and blue nose , full on , cept we didnt let the squids cut our hair when we shell backed

BrianR, sounds like you had a blast. Officers underwent shellbacking on my ship, as well--didn't mean to imply otherwise. When I said the captain lorded around, I literally meant he was treated like a god for the day, not that he was above the ceremony (although they DID have him in full costume on the freight elevator, a couple dozen feet above us 'wogs, who crawling around in the muck of the lower deck. That man had a voice that carried, and he used it).

The Chief's initiation remains a mystery to me to this day, as it should. One thing I quickly learned as a JO--even if you hear screams coming from the other side of the door, you trust your chiefs.

Hack ,
We have to have our grocery's delivered by some body ,
oh and the squids used to HATE it when I would step on to one of their boats and say " HOME James !!!"

Guess that explaines 6 month deployments on ship with NO Hot water in the showers for the Marines

OhhhRaaah !!!!

How can a head look like a jar?

Marines used to starch their cover ( hats) some time useing a form , a jar of the correct size would help hold it in shape ,
I used other things , Aluminum cut outs that were adjustable .

that makes more sense to me

I used to starch my cover SO Hard you could break a glass with it ,
Once when I was in Iceland the cooks put our covers in the Pizza oven

silly zippy!

This guy showed up with the development of a new meme on /b/.

http://encyclopediadramatica.com/I_am_disappoint

http://cellar.org/2009/i_am_disappoint.gif

See post #45, above ^^^