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henry quirk 09-25-2009 11:31 AM

Peace
 
What's the acceptable price for peace?

Please, interpret 'peace', 'acceptable', and 'price' as you like.

classicman 09-25-2009 11:33 AM

for whom?

lumberjim 09-25-2009 11:36 AM

$100 for a half and half?

henry quirk 09-25-2009 11:42 AM

for whom?
 
I leave you to define that.

#

"$100 for a half and half?"

HA!

Shawnee123 09-25-2009 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lumberjim (Post 597148)
$100 for a half and half?

Sounds a bit cheap, but hey...

:rasta:

henry quirk 09-25-2009 11:47 AM

Sounds a bit cheap, but hey...
 
HA!

classicman 09-25-2009 11:56 AM

Is there a price for peace?

henry quirk 09-25-2009 11:58 AM

Is there a price for peace?
 
That depend entirely on how you interpret 'price' and 'peace'.

TheMercenary 09-25-2009 12:00 PM

Two dollar - fifty.

classicman 09-25-2009 12:00 PM

fitty cent

Shawnee123 09-25-2009 12:01 PM

Peace is being able to walk around without fear of being raped or murdered or caught in a bank robbery or a school shooting or being hit by a drunk driver or some punk-ass kid with a road vendetta who just broke up with his skank girlfriend or getting hit by drugwar crossfire or or or...

The price is the annihilation of the human race.

henry quirk 09-25-2009 12:05 PM

One nice, practical, definition for 'peace'...thanks.


But surely you mean, 'the annihilation of the human race' is the price for NOT having peace, yes?

classicman 09-25-2009 12:06 PM

it may well be the cost of having peace also

Shawnee123 09-25-2009 12:07 PM

There will never be peace as long as there are pesky humans running around, and the complete lack of peace would result in the annihilation of the human race.

Therefore, peace is not possible except in the absence of humans. Sure, there might be a mutual chihuahua-mauling or something, but I don't expect animals with their instincts to have any understanding or influence on (my concept of) "peace."

henry quirk 09-25-2009 12:08 PM

Ah, got you!
 
;)

Shawnee123 09-25-2009 12:09 PM

No, you didn't. :lol:

henry quirk 09-25-2009 12:11 PM

I stand corrected...
 
HA!

Spexxvet 09-25-2009 12:13 PM

Would you take UG, classicman, merc, radar, and tw? That'll give us some peace around here. :stickpoke JUST KIDDING!

TGRR 09-25-2009 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by henry quirk (Post 597144)
What's the acceptable price for peace?

Please, interpret 'peace', 'acceptable', and 'price' as you like.

Peace cannot be purchased, at any price. Peace is not a normal state of affairs for monkeys, and if you attempt to purchase peace, all it means is that one side acts peaceful and the other side doesn't (Neville Chamberlain, may you rot in hell).

Monkeys are what monkeys are, and war is a part of all that. Who knows what the future holds for our species? Not I, but I DO know that whatever that future is, there will be war.

Shawnee123 09-25-2009 12:14 PM

Quote:

Would you take UG, classicman, merc, radar, and tw? That'll give us some peace around here. JUST KIDDING!
pssst...at least he didn't say Shawnee!

TGRR 09-25-2009 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 597162)
Peace is being able to walk around without fear of being raped or murdered or caught in a bank robbery or a school shooting or being hit by a drunk driver or some punk-ass kid with a road vendetta who just broke up with his skank girlfriend or getting hit by drugwar crossfire or or or...

The price is the annihilation of the human race.

This is the correct answer, and stated far more effectively than my attempt.

TGRR 09-25-2009 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by henry quirk (Post 597163)
One nice, practical, definition for 'peace'...thanks.


But surely you mean, 'the annihilation of the human race' is the price for NOT having peace, yes?

Assumes facts contrary to existing evidence.

Humans have had the capacity to destroy themselves for 64 years, and have not had a year's peace in that time, yet they continue to infest the entire habitable world and Canada (apologies to HL Mencken).

piercehawkeye45 09-25-2009 01:00 PM

Peace will only occur when we lose the need to get what we desire.

So never.

TheMercenary 09-25-2009 01:02 PM

Wait. How about next week?

henry quirk 09-25-2009 02:55 PM

This is the correct answer
 
No. That was one answer, based on an interpretation of the terms involved.

TheMercenary 09-25-2009 02:57 PM

Ok, how about the week after next?

dar512 09-25-2009 03:17 PM

My interpretation
 
acceptable = going rate
price = US dollars
peace = eggs

The answer is ~ $2.00 a dozen.

If you don't define the inputs, the outputs mean nothing. The current discussion is analogous to arguments over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

henry quirk 09-25-2009 03:23 PM

The current discussion is analogous to arguments over how many angels can dance on th
 
No. It's just the beginning of a goddamned conversation wherein folks are encouraged to offer interpretations. The hope: a lengthy enough thread will evolve away from the opening question and self-sustain based on the give and take of the participants.

However: you, and others, should feel free to shit within the thread as you like… ;)

TheMercenary 09-25-2009 03:42 PM

Ok, next month and that is my final offer. Or when ever the Israeli's bomb Iran. Which ever comes first.

dar512 09-25-2009 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by henry quirk (Post 597221)
No. It's just the beginning of a goddamned conversation wherein folks are encouraged to offer interpretations. The hope: a lengthy enough thread will evolve away from the opening question and self-sustain based on the give and take of the participants.

However: you, and others, should feel free to shit within the thread as you like… ;)

Poor henry, so misunderstood and abused.

Concepts like peace and price are difficult enough to discuss when you are trying to be as precise as possible. When you ask everyone to provide their own definitions, you have pretty much barred any productive discussion from occurring.

However, if that's your goal - have at it.

I was sorely tempted to use the turd smiley here as it was so explicitly called for, but managed to restrain myself.

Cloud 09-25-2009 04:00 PM

No. Peace. :gray:

Idemosaka 09-25-2009 04:43 PM

Why can't we give love one more chance?

TGRR 09-25-2009 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Idemosaka (Post 597234)
Why can't we give love one more chance?

Because it sticks to your face.

henry quirk 09-25-2009 05:13 PM

get bent
 
"Poor henry, so misunderstood and abused."

pffftt!

#

"Concepts like peace and price are difficult enough to discuss when you are trying to be as precise as possible. When you ask everyone to provide their own definitions, you have pretty much barred any productive discussion from occurring."

I disagree.

#

"I was sorely tempted to use the turd smiley here as it was so explicitly called for, but managed to restrain myself."

Please: don't repress yourself...let it all hang out.

henry quirk 09-25-2009 05:19 PM

you have pretty much barred any productive discussion from occurring
 
Seems to me that happens often here, not because opening questions or comments are too vague, but, because jackass-ry is the dominant disease.

*shrug*

TGRR 09-25-2009 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by henry quirk (Post 597240)
Seems to me that happens often here, not because opening questions or comments are too vague, but, because jackass-ry is the dominant disease.

*shrug*

Don't let The Man get you down, Henry.

henry quirk 09-25-2009 05:42 PM

goddamned hippy ;)
 
"Don't let The Man get you down, Henry"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

TheMercenary 09-25-2009 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by henry quirk (Post 597240)
Seems to me that happens often here, not because opening questions or comments are too vague, but, because jackass-ry is the dominant disease.

*shrug*

I think it is more a matter of vague questions get vague responses. You are trying to have an opened question discussion that really belongs in the philosophy thread. :2cents:

henry quirk 09-25-2009 05:48 PM

"You are trying to have an opened question discussion that really belongs in the philosophy thread"

You're probably right. Would some power that is, please, move this thread to the philosophy sub-forum?

TheMercenary 09-25-2009 07:36 PM

Send a pm to bruce or UT.

Shawnee123 09-25-2009 07:39 PM

The philosophy forum doesn't have a shield to guard against assholism.

I appreciate the topic. Maybe someone could have expounded on the comment I made about what peace would mean to ME? You know...what does it mean to YOU?

Anyone?

Guess we need a flowchart. Again.

TheMercenary 09-25-2009 07:44 PM

Ok, how about this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mOEU87SBTU

Shawnee123 09-25-2009 07:47 PM

That, to me, is actually a nice contribution. Remember when everyone was stoned and thought humanly peace was possible? :) Silly gooses.

Undertoad 09-25-2009 07:54 PM

it is done

glatt 09-25-2009 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 597265)
it is done

There's your peace, Henry.

xoxoxoBruce 09-26-2009 01:13 AM

Peace?
 
When Russia's Doomsday Bomb goes off.:unsure:

classicman 09-26-2009 07:21 AM

Quote:

As described in 1993 issue of New York Times:

"The dead-hand system he [Dr. Blair] describes today takes this defensive trend to its logical, if chilling, conclusion. The automated system in theory would allow Moscow to respond to a Western attack even if top military commanders had been killed and the capitol incinerated.

The heart of the system is said to lie in deep underground bunkers south of Moscow and at backup locations. In a crisis, military officials would send a coded message to the bunkers, switching on the dead hand. If nearby ground-level sensors detected a nuclear attack on Moscow, and if a break was detected in communications links with top military commanders, the system would send low-frequency signals over underground antennas to special rockets.

Flying high over missile fields and other military sites, these rockets in turn would broadcast attack orders to missiles, bombers and, via radio relays, submarines at sea. Contrary to some Western beliefs, Dr. Blair says, many of Russia's nuclear-armed missiles in underground silos and on mobile launchers can be fired automatically."

regular.joe 09-26-2009 12:43 PM

Peace like everything else in the universe comes in pockets and incongrous bunches. There will never be a time when peace is spread throughout the earth, nor will there be a time when war consumes everything. Both will take up large swaths of space and time. It's the way of things.

my .02 cents.

Shawnee123 09-26-2009 12:49 PM

But that's only, like, 1/50 of a cent.

regular.joe 09-26-2009 01:15 PM

What kind of exchange rate is that??????

Griff 09-26-2009 01:19 PM

.02 dollars = 2 cents

Clodfobble 09-26-2009 02:09 PM

Man, this one never gets old:



"Well, I mean it's obviously a difference of opinion..."

Idemosaka 09-27-2009 07:16 PM

STOP! IN THE NAME OF LOVE

monster 09-27-2009 08:23 PM

Peace sounds boring. Imagine a world where everybody agreed wih everyone else...... I could live without the violence though. The rape, the war, the robbery..... but I can't imagine those happening unless everybody agreed with everyone else. I can put no price on peace because it's all or nothing and I don't want all and I don't want nothing....

xoxoxoBruce 09-27-2009 10:56 PM

Peace is lack of war, not lack of contention, nor lack of disagreement.

Shawnee123 09-28-2009 09:24 AM

@ Clod: I am so utterly astounded every time I see that clip. Seriously, it's simple freaking math. I can't imagine how frustrated that guy must have been trying to explain it to TWO different people from verizon.

regjoe? Do you see the difference now?

regular.joe 09-28-2009 10:15 AM

I'm just sayin that my .02 Cents is worth $.02. I will admit that I did have a typo there to begin with. It was stoopid.

Shawnee123 09-28-2009 10:18 AM

No, your .02 cents is worth $.0002.

Jebus, now I'm confused...is that even right?

edit: it wasn't. fixed.

Spexxvet 09-28-2009 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cloud (Post 597227)
No. Peace. :gray:

No Justice!

Pie 09-28-2009 12:52 PM

'Peace' is not a concept limited to humanity. (last link pdf)

What will lead to peace:
. . . . The eventual heat death of the universe.


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