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Clodfobble 10-09-2009 07:49 AM

Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize
 
Figured I'd start this thread before Merc could. :)

Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize

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OSLO – President Barack Obama won the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize on Friday in a stunning decision designed to encourage his initiatives to reduce nuclear arms, ease tensions with the Muslim world and stress diplomacy and cooperation rather than unilateralism.

Nobel observers were shocked by the unexpected choice so early in the Obama presidency, which began less than two weeks before the Feb. 1 nomination deadline.

White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Obama woke up to the news a little before 6 a.m. EDT. The White House had no immediate comment on the announcement, which took the administration by surprise.

The Norwegian Nobel Committee decided not to inform Obama before the announcement because it didn't want to wake him up, committee chairman Thorbjoern Jagland said.

"Waking up a president in the middle of the night, this isn't really something you do," Jagland said.

Honestly, I think it's ballsy, but ultimately meaningless. I will note that they sure do spend a lot of time using the prize as a political slap in the face to George W. Bush--first Jimmy Carter in 2002, then Al Gore in 2005, and now Barack Obama.

Shawnee123 10-09-2009 07:59 AM

The world has spoken.

Excuse me now, I must go worship at the shrine I've erected.

:lol:

classicman 10-09-2009 08:03 AM

Its total BS. He hasn't "done" anything. The politicization of "the Prize" is now complete.

Shawnee123 10-09-2009 08:06 AM

Oh goody, more fodder for incessant bitching from the wackos. ;)

This is gonna be great, I knew it would the minute I saw the article on CNN.com this morning, but I think I'll just watch from afar now.

I just had to gloat, just once, well...twice.

One last thing...hahahhahahahaaaa!

:lol2:

ZenGum 10-09-2009 08:12 AM

What's he gonna do with the money?

I haven't seen him flash a single peace-sign, but I am happy to give him a prize just for not being GWB.

Seriously, America, this is the world saying we like you again. Group hug?

classicman 10-09-2009 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ZenGum (Post 600008)
I am happy to give him a prize just for not being GWB.

Thats exactly the point - Its not what he's done, its who he isn't. Way to go world! Since when is that what the Nobel Peace Prize is about?

Shawnee123 10-09-2009 08:21 AM

ok one more

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Jagland said the decision was "unanimous" and came with ease.

He rejected the notion that Obama had been recognized prematurely for his efforts and said the committee wanted to promote the president just it had Mikhail Gorbachev in 1990 in his efforts to open up the Soviet Union.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe...ize/index.html

Spexxvet 10-09-2009 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 600005)
Oh goody, more fodder for incessant bitching from the wackos. ;)
...

Bitchbitchbitchbitch Hey....... wait a minute....
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Originally Posted by classicman (Post 600011)
Thats exactly the point - Its not what he's done, its who he isn't. Way to go world! Since when is that what the Nobel Peace Prize is about?

Leave it to you to turn a positive into a negative. :headshake

xoxoxoBruce 10-09-2009 08:29 AM

Wonderful, congratulations Mr Obama.
BUT, I still have to go to work today... and so do you, Mr President.






Why does spellcheck want to change Obama to ABM? It's the peace prize, damnit. :eyebrow:

Spexxvet 10-09-2009 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 600014)

Hu hu ... his name is Jagland.[/butthead]

TheMercenary 10-09-2009 08:40 AM

I would frist liike to say congrats to Mr. President. It is a fine honor to receive. To bad that getting it really cheapens it for all those who came before him and actually did something to receive it. I listened to NPR on the way to work and they said that he became President 2 weeks before the deadline for submission for the award. So the Junior U. S. Senator Obama who never completed his first term in office and had just 143 days of experience in the Senate, 2 weeks before the deadline someone submits his name, and with all of 9 months of experience as President he gets the Noble Peace Prize. What a joke.:lol:

But in the end you can't undo what has been done. So congrats to him. :thumb:

I wonder if he will give the money to ACORN? :)

dar512 10-09-2009 09:01 AM

I voted for Obama, and I think he's going to be a great leader.

But this is nuts. The guy is just getting started. Give it to the guy building schools in Afghanistan or the guys doing anger management in Palestine. If there is no one more worthy of the honor, don't give it out. This just trivializes it.

Griff 10-09-2009 09:03 AM

I'd say the prize is meant for those Americans who realized that we couldn't continue to claim exemption from standards of international conduct and still claim ethical leadership. Some pretty dubious domestic policy from the Democrats in Congress is the cost of a sane foreign policy and I believe it is worth it for the international group hug.

Pie 10-09-2009 09:07 AM

So I guess the Nobel committee is back to being our BFFs again. I'm a big ole' Obamaphile, but this is just silly.

Perhaps they should have given the damn prize to the American voters, since that's who they seem to be recognizing.

Shawnee123 10-09-2009 09:30 AM

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Since World War II, the Peace Prize has principally been awarded to honour efforts in four main areas: arms control and disarmament, peace negotiation, democracy and human rights, and work aimed at creating a better organized and more peaceful world.
http://nobelpeaceprize.org/en_GB/abo...prize/history/

This isn't Time Magazine, folks. It isn't awarded to "the people" or "the soldiers." It's not the "What Have You Done as President" prize. It's not the "Gee, What Do You Americans Think?" prize. It's the Nobel Peace Prize. As we have seen, the concept of peace isn't exactly a science. The committee decided Obama has shown committment to creating a better organized and more peaceful world.

This looks good for us, the USA. Remember us? Shouldn't we quit nitpicking and be happy that at least some of the world no longer hates us?

Nah, negative spin the fucker. When you're done, please list all requirements in the Peace Prize manual that the committee ignored.

A flow chart would be helpful.

xoxoxoBruce 10-09-2009 09:47 AM

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Since World War II, the Peace Prize has principally been awarded to honour efforts... ~snip~
Since he was only is office two weeks when he was nominated, it seems it was based on campaign promises rather than efforts.

TheMercenary 10-09-2009 09:50 AM

I really think this is more about dising Bush and the Europeans making a statement about the role they hope the US will play in the future. Nice gesture but so far off the mark. I want to hear Obama speak about it. I mean who wouldn't want such an award to recognize all their great accomplishments and life long attempts to make the world a better place....

Pie 10-09-2009 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123
When you're done, please list all requirements in the Peace Prize manual that the committee ignored.

Having actually accomplished something?

I don't doubt that Mr. Obama will accomplish many things, but has he done so yet?

Should they award the Prize in Physics to a bright 16-year old who might grow up to be the next Einstein? No, it's awarded to someone who, through the lens of history, has made a significant contribution to Physics and humanity. It's supposed to be the crowning achievement of a long and glorious career, not a yearbook vote for "Most Likely to Succeed".

Shawnee123 10-09-2009 10:05 AM

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Myth: The prize is awarded to recognize efforts for peace, human rights and democracy only after they have proven successful.

More often, the prize is awarded to encourage those who receive it to see the effort through, sometimes at critical moments
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...bA-1gD9B7HDR80

xoxoxoBruce 10-09-2009 10:14 AM

Maybe they are trying to dissuade him from sending more troops to Afghanistan? :litebulb:

TheMercenary 10-09-2009 10:22 AM

Well good on Obama. He was humble in his speech.

Undertoad 10-09-2009 10:23 AM

This is the Nobel I'm slightly smarter and better then you prize. But they gave the prize to Arafat. They gave the prize to Kissinger. It's a meaningless prize.

xoxoxoBruce 10-09-2009 10:31 AM

Not meaningless to the Republicans. :rolleyes:

TheMercenary 10-09-2009 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 600076)
Not meaningless to the Republicans. :rolleyes:

Rebulickins are just unhappy because the only Americans eligible have to be a Demoncrat or a liberal. ;) And not meaningless to a committee of five people elected by the Norwegian Parliament. I guess UT is right, pretty unimportant in the greater scheme of things. Completely politicized.

Madman 10-09-2009 10:56 AM

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Kanye's reaction to Obama winning the Nobel Peace Prize...

Undertoad 10-09-2009 11:12 AM

Al Gore: got one. Ghandi: never did.

Shawnee123 10-09-2009 11:19 AM

Since it's meaningless, no one should really care who got it...past, present, or who will get it in the future.

Redux 10-09-2009 11:23 AM

It may not play well in some quarters, but IMO, it is an honor, even if symbolic.

But still, you’re nothing in this town until you have a national airport and the largest federal office building in the city named in your honor, as well as bills introduced by your buddies in Congress every session to have your bust added to Mt Rushmore and your image to replace Alexander Hamilton on the $10 bill.

TheMercenary 10-09-2009 11:51 AM

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Oh well I guess he wins.

dmg1969 10-09-2009 12:05 PM

The only thing I can liken it to is naming the rookie who has only played in two games to the Baseball Hall of Fame. It is totally absurd. It is just another case of style over substance.

Spexxvet 10-09-2009 12:15 PM

Bush totally should have gotten the award.:blush:

Undertoad 10-09-2009 02:49 PM

He was nominated in 2002.

Queen of the Ryche 10-09-2009 02:59 PM

I believe in world peace, and I've talked to a few friends about how someone some day may accomplish world peace (or not)......

I can haz medal?

Shawnee123 10-09-2009 03:02 PM

lol

I won the Strawberry Festival Peace Prize once!

:)

Queen of the Ryche 10-09-2009 03:09 PM

I won the Pea Festival Strawberry Prize........

dar512 10-09-2009 03:12 PM

I won the Soup Festival for Whirled Peas.

Shawnee123 10-09-2009 03:13 PM

Peace porridge hot
Peace porridge cold...

;)

lookout123 10-09-2009 04:11 PM

Isaac Hayes should have won before Obama. 1) He was black, 2) He said pretty words written by someone else that gave hope to millions of horny people, 3) Huh, I can't think of a third reason for either of them.

This is just another political blowjob.

glatt 10-09-2009 04:30 PM

I voted for Obama. I like Obama. I think it's silly that he got this prize.

I think it's the Nobel people trying to nudge him towards closing Gitmo and ending Afghanistan quickly, and also snubbing Bush.

morethanpretty 10-09-2009 04:59 PM

I'm all for that International Group Hug!

I don't know how I feel about Obama getting the Nobel Peace Prize, kinda apathetic about it. I hope he gives the money to a good charity (like the deficit!)
His money though, can do what he likes.

morethanpretty 10-09-2009 05:22 PM

Ah just found:

Obama will travel to Oslo, Norway, in December to accept the award, including a $1.4 million prize. The White House said Obama will donate the entire amount to charity.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091009/...us_obama_nobel

Urbane Guerrilla 10-09-2009 05:23 PM

Sort of a crosspost: Huffpo is agreeing with me on this. Is there a Smilie sufficiently strange for that one? {clicks Smilies} Aw, fuggit. :eek:

Two threads to braid -- yeah, I know it takes three skeins to make a braid but work with me here...

Redux 10-09-2009 05:33 PM

I would have voted for Pete Seeger.

The consolation with the Obama award may be that it will incite those leftists teachers who control the education system to force our kids to sing more songs about Obama at the start of every school day. :D

Undertoad 10-09-2009 05:41 PM

http://cellar.org/2009/this_machine_kills_fascists.gif

Urbane Guerrilla 10-09-2009 05:50 PM

Avowed Communists killing Fascists is just one totalitarianism competing with another. Both of 'em collectivist. They were not antitheses, they were competitors for the hearts and minds of the tyrannical.

Urbane Guerrilla 10-09-2009 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Pie (Post 600054)
I don't doubt that Mr. Obama will accomplish many things, but has he done so yet?

Given the kind of accomplishments he's after making, he shouldn't. That will serve the Republic well. What he wants will not.

TheMercenary 10-09-2009 05:54 PM

I would have loved to see Pete Seeger get the award. He did a huge environmental clean-up along the Hudson River, among other things and for being a great musician.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sloop_Clearwater

ZenGum 10-09-2009 06:18 PM

All this talk about "Obama hasn't achieved anything".

Well what has Aung San Suu Kyi achieved? SFA. Sat at home on her ass all the time, not even in a real prison like Mandela.

Sharon/Arafat? Oh sure, there's peace a plenty in the Middle East. Not.

The ILO? There are still sweatshops and slaves today.

Actually achieving stuff does not seem to be a requirement. Making the world feel warm and fuzzy is the thing, I think.

Shawnee123 10-09-2009 06:48 PM

All we are saying, is give peace a chance.

:lol:

I just love watching people writhe. Now you know how we felt for 8 years.

Cloud 10-09-2009 06:49 PM

He has given a lot of people in the world hope that there's someone in charge thinking with their brain, not their gonads, when it comes to peace. That is quite an accomplishment.

TheMercenary 10-09-2009 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 600184)
I just love watching people writhe. Now you know how we felt for 8 years.

I really doubt people are "writhing", I mean really. We could have done much worse if McCain were elected.

Shawnee123 10-09-2009 06:58 PM

Well, if anyone would bother to read what I posted about the intent of the award, there would be so much less gnashing of teeth.

The award has been called meaningless. Fine. I'm not arguing that. What I am arguing is, if it's so meaningless, why are people so pissed off?

Huckabee reminded his constituents that to bitch about this would only make them look petty. Why stop now? He said it would be better to ask what Obama has done? Fair enough...until you actually pay attention to what the award is supposed to be about. Do I think it means much? Well, I believe in ideals, and what could be accomplished if we set our minds to it. I think this bestowment paves the way for honoring better ideas about what could really happen, if everyone wasn't so worried about someone else pissing in their spot. Arf.

TheMercenary 10-09-2009 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 600192)
Well, if anyone would bother to read what I posted about the intent of the award, there would be so much less gnashing of teeth.

The award has been called meaningless. Fine. I'm not arguing that. What I am arguing is, if it's so meaningless, why are people so pissed off?

Because now it is much more meaningless. :D

richlevy 10-09-2009 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla (Post 600166)
Given the kind of accomplishments he's after making, he shouldn't. That will serve the Republic well. What he wants will not.

Ooooh, a thumbs down from UG. Now I know he deserves it.:D

Seriously, I think it's way too soon. Obama had the same advantage an average looking girl does going to the beach with her ugly best friend - people automatically think shes prettier than they would if she were alone.

Following the Bush/Cheney act, all Obama had to do was show that he could tie his shoelaces and chew gum at the same time.

Shawnee123 10-09-2009 07:18 PM

Americans are so egocentric.

Shawnee123 10-09-2009 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 600193)
Because now it is much more meaningless. :D

I don't agree.

Please list all the recipients (easily googled) and explain to me the meaning of each. In triplicate.

jinx 10-09-2009 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Nobel's will
The whole of my remaining realizable estate shall be dealt with in the following way:
The capital shall be invested by my executors in safe securities and shall constitute a fund, the interest on which shall be annually distributed in the form of prizes to those who, during the preceding year, shall have conferred the greatest benefit on mankind. The said interest shall be divided into five equal parts, which shall be apportioned as follows: one part to the person who shall have made the most important discovery or invention within the field of physics; one part to the person who shall have made the most important chemical discovery or improvement; one part to the person who shall have made the most important discovery within the domain of physiology or medicine; one part to the person who shall have produced in the field of literature the most outstanding work of an idealistic tendency; and one part to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity among nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses.

:eyebrow:

TheMercenary 10-09-2009 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123 (Post 600200)
I don't agree.

Please list all the recipients (easily googled) and explain to me the meaning of each. In triplicate.

The thing speaks for itself. No need for all that work.

classicman 10-10-2009 07:04 AM

He was in office for a whole two weeks when he was nominated.:eyebrow:

Still better him than, say Ahmajinedad. :eek:

wolf 10-10-2009 07:12 AM

During all of the chaos involving momwolf, this is the one news story that I heard yesterday.

Well, that and Archbishop Dougherty and Northeast Catholic closing.

I had to check my calendar to make sure that it was October 9th, not April 1st.


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