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Unemployed Intentionally

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Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay says that Sen. Jim Bunning was "brave" for blocking an extension in unemployment benefits.
DeLay subscribes to the notion that people only try to find jobs when their benefits run out.
"There is an argument to be made that these extensions, the unemployment benefits, keep people from going and finding jobs," he told CNN's Candy Crowley Sunday. "In fact there are some studies that have been done that show people stay on unemployment compensation and they don't look for a job until two or three weeks before they know the benefits are going to run out," he argued.
"People are unemployed because they want to be? " asked Crowley.
"Well, it is the truth. And people in the real world know it," said DeLay.
The Senate passed a ten billion dollar stopgap unemployment measure late Tuesday, after including an amendment offered by Sen. Bunning that prevented further deficits.
Ryan Grim noted in The Huffington Post that "unemployment benefits are generally so small that much of it is often used to pay for COBRA health insurance, even when subsidized. The size of the benefits does not generally cover the cost of living and it would be hard to find a single person who would prefer unemployment to having a job so that they could get subsidized COBRA."

OK, all you unemployed people, you've been outed. Now get off your lazy asses and get back to work, 'cause you ain't foolin' Ol Tom Delay. :headshake

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I am sure some are slacking but not all. I know people who have used up all the time on UI and even without it have NOT found jobs.

I actually know two people who waited till they had about a month left before looking and both got jobs in time. I also know a few more who have not yet. like anything else . . .

Most people can't afford to do that, unless their living in Mom's basement. Even two income families are usually stretched so tight loss of one income can ruin them.

Yup - no doubt. They fall into the "I also know a few more who have not yet."
category.

I know two people who could walk in to many places and get a j o b , but choose not to because it's not T H E job.

they both need a kick in the ass. or two.

The bigger reality is that they are not being counted in the Obama White House Propaganda.

Who's not being counted?

I don't have a job. Don't want one, either. :D

Pssst: self-employed . . . even if you don't work, it doesn't count.

The general assumption here is that all unemployed are on unemployment......

Not at all, as explained here, there are lots of different "unemployment numbers".

He knows better too, just being a dick.;)

DeLay, like most people who are in power (read: wealthy, or at the very least, quite substantially well-off), have zero clue about the lives of the rank and file, and what's more, could give a rat's ass. They care about holding onto the power and influence and money they have, and getting more. Period.

I have a friend who had a good job as a cook until her Doc decided to put her on oxygen 24/7. In case you don't know O2 tends to blow up around stoves. She has been looking for other work, but nothing yet. Cortez is at the end of the world and has a very high unemployment rate. I counted 4 jobs in the paper the other day. Anyway, my friend is now on unemployment which pays for her oxygen and nothing else. Yep she's just lazing around living the good life. I hope Bunning roasts in hell. :thepain:

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 639779)

Not at all, as explained here, there are lots of different "unemployment numbers".

But what is reported is just the "good" numbers.

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As regular readers of The Ticker know, we like to hammer on the official U.S. unemployment rate versus the unofficial rate, which we believe to be a truer picture of joblessness in this country.

This morning, the Labor Department said the official number climbed from 9.4 percent in July to 9.7 percent in August.

But the unofficial number jumped from 16.3 percent to 16.8 percent.

The difference between the two rates is due to who's counted among the unemployed.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/eco...l?hpid=topnews

I'm on the edge of my seat waiting for the next revision.

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary (Post 639834)

But what is reported is just the "good" numbers.

It's the same fucking number they've been reporting for the last 50 years, but now suddenly it's smoke and mirrors?

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 639916)

It's the same fucking number they've been reporting for the last 50 years, but now suddenly it's smoke and mirrors?

You addressed it earlier:

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 639781)

He knows better too, just being a dick.;)

QFT

There have been slackers on unemployment for years too, but no one addresses it except Delay. By the way, Delay is not in power anymore, he became unemployed in 2008.

I am technically not unemployed. I am on sick-leave.
The right-wing tabloid press in this country would paint me as a poorly educated dole-scrounger. I left school at 16, despite all the benefits of attending a grammar school. I walked out of a marriage. I quit a well-paying job. I was lucky enough to move back in with my parents, who qualify for nothing for housing me because they are pensioners. These are broadly sketched situations, which in no way reflect my life.

On the flip side, I have saved the Govt money by living back at home. For not needing to have 24 hour care. When I was at my worst I had Crisis Support, OR the 'rents were around, OR I came to the Cellar. And sometimes that meant AND rather than OR.

I'm paying back my debts with my benefits. The fear of those debts made me self-harm in Leicester and in Greenwich. Far better for the economy to make payments!

And now I am a volunteer two full working days a week in a school and will be for another day for a political party. AND have taken on some of the burden of care (of my Grandad) from my Mum. I say burden because she's not 37 as I always assume. I am 37, she's retired. She doesn't resent caring for her Dad, but of course she is slowing down.

I dunno. I'm probably saying what most people think. That the people they know on benefits aren't slackers. That they have an illness that they are working through, that they have always worked (me? 16 years) that it's not "us" they mean but "them".

All I would say is that there IS a poverty trap. I'm not in it, but I wasn't BORN into it. I was born into a family with a good work ethic and a strong belief in the power of education. I'm a hard worker fallen on crummy times because of my mental health.

Please don't assume everyone who needs help is a loser. So many people need just that - help. I needed time. I got it thanks to my (not rich) parents. I'd have my own place if I had a kid, but I don't resent that. I'd be far worse off if I'd squeezed one out at 17.

Community and society are good words. If family fails, they are the next best thing. And the lack of them imo is the main reason for urban crime.

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 639676)

OK, all you unemployed people, you've been outed. Now get off your lazy asses and get back to work, 'cause you ain't foolin' Ol Tom Delay. :headshake

Well, ya' know, I would, but you see, I'm not able to work.

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 639916)

It's the same fucking number they've been reporting for the last 50 years, but now suddenly it's smoke and mirrors?

I think right now there are weird ways of counting. If someone is on Fed extensions, they are not in the U3 number (from what I understand) but are counted in the U6 which also includes part time workers who want full time work.
I admit, I could easily be wrong in how I understand it all.

Long, blah blah info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unemployment