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Miths 08-27-2010 08:34 AM

Uranium -238 Seized in Moldova.
 
Moldovan police seized 1.8 kilograms (4 pounds) of uranium-238 from a criminal gang that sought to sell it for as much as 9 million euros ($11 million) – http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...smugglers.html
Well, well, here it adds the main basis of that ‘renovated’ warm friendship between Moldova and Georgia… If you remember, previously it was exactly Georgia who had been accused of connivance and smuggling the Ukrainian uranium to Iran, but after the change of power in Ukraine and the Yanukovich’s accession there, who has ordered to liquidate the entire uranium stores, the source has failed. And what can we see now? The Saakashvili’s dirty business is alive and quite well doing… That means only one thing - he has found another supplier. I guess now it is Belarus, which also has enough of uranium since the Soviet times (I remember, Lukashenko even tried to blackmail Europe with it). The scheme of dirty business stays put with the only difference that now Georgia receives uranium materials via mediator (read Moldova) and resell it to Iran. Well, here’s the GUAM’s new formula for success: ‘the Azeri oil from the East to the West and the Belarusian uranium from the West to the East’. I think the Saakashvili’s impelling urge to bring Belarus into the organization now seems to be as clear as a day…

Undertoad 08-27-2010 08:56 AM

Well this is probably single-issue spam with a link in the user's first post, but I'm inclined to leave it, as it's interesting, and he put it in Current Events which took some consideration.

Griff 08-27-2010 09:07 AM

I wonder how much energy we're taking about?

side note Google just hit me with a (whats it called when you type the shown letters in the box) I wonder if they're having an attack or don't like nuclear bomb searches?

Undertoad 08-27-2010 09:28 AM

CAPTCHA'd you? That seems kinda random for Google. Getting attacked seems logical, they were a target of China some while back. What was your search term? I can't get it to do that to me...

xoxoxoBruce 08-27-2010 09:34 AM

U-238 is serious shit.

Lamplighter 08-27-2010 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce (Post 678864)
U-238 is serious shit if you have a nuclear reactor to bombard it into plutonium.

Fixed it for you...;)

But I agree with your original post too.

Griff 08-27-2010 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 678859)
CAPTCHA'd you? That seems kinda random for Google. Getting attacked seems logical, they were a target of China some while back. What was your search term? I can't get it to do that to me...

Yeah, weird eh? It was some combo of nuclear bomb uranium 238. I wanted to figure out how much potential that much 238 had. Is it Hiroshima x ten? No black helicopters yet...

Gravdigr 08-27-2010 01:29 PM

Ukrainian uranium. Say that ten times fast.

Gravdigr 08-27-2010 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Griff (Post 678891)
Yeah, weird eh? It was some combo of nuclear bomb uranium 238. I wanted to figure out how much potential that much 238 had. Is it Hiroshima x ten? No black helicopters yet...

If the FBI didn't have a file on you, they do now...

Also, never type "God" "bomb" and "Obama" in a post.

Aw, dammit!:mad2:

classicman 08-27-2010 01:43 PM

lulz at Grave - I was gonna copy it, but ...

Griff 08-27-2010 03:02 PM

Yeah, it was nice knowing you digr. Maybe we can room at Leavenworth?

Urbane Guerrilla 08-29-2010 02:26 AM

OFGS, you guys. (If you're not deadpan joking.) That is depleted uranium. They use that for compact elevator counterweights, and in aviation. It is an alpha-emitter that has a half-life the age of the Earth: 4.5 billion years. This particular isotope of uranium metal isn't even really the active principle in reactor fuel: that requires enrichment in the fissionable U-235 to a content from about 5 to 20 percent.

Those boys were running a scam.

Though you could kill a guy by dropping it on his head out of a third-floor window. Aim right and it could be lethal enough.

Undertoad 08-29-2010 05:49 AM

Quote:

That is depleted uranium.
No it isn't.

Urbane Guerrilla 08-31-2010 02:25 AM

Sorry, but when you deplete uranium of the fissionable U-235 isotope, to enrich other mixes of isotopes of the metal, what is left is still DU -- either the initial metal refining or reprocessing of fuel rods. It is a considerably purer sample of U-238 than what you start with.

Quote:

The byproduct of enrichment, called depleted uranium or DU, contains less than one third as much U-235 and U-234 as natural uranium.
Quote:

Natural uranium metal contains about 0.71 percent U-235, 99.28 percent U-238, and about 0.0054 percent U-234. In order to produce enriched uranium, the process of isotope separation removes a substantial portion of the U-235 for use in nuclear power, weapons, or other uses. The remainder, depleted uranium, contains only 0.2 percent to 0.4 percent U-235. Because natural uranium begins with such a low percentage of U-235, enrichment produces large quantities of depleted uranium. For example, producing 1 kg of five percent enriched uranium requires 11.8 kg of natural uranium, and leaves about 10.8 kg of depleted uranium with only 0.3 percent U-235 remaining.
And that was just Wikipedia, FWIW. Wanna dig deeper? Sundry links this page.

Undertoad 08-31-2010 08:15 AM

When you looked it up in Wikipedia, did you notice that the U-238 page and the DU page were the same page?

tw 08-31-2010 07:49 PM

Not provided are details that say whether U-238 is a problem or just another expensive metal. For example, high purity U-238 is even added to some materials as a radiation filter. U-235 content, purity, and other numbers are critical to understand the value (or threat) of that material. Numbers that were not provided.

More relevant is how they obtained this material. Who is marketing this stuff? And what else to they have access to?

Urbane Guerrilla 09-02-2010 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad (Post 679554)
When you looked it up in Wikipedia, did you notice that the U-238 page and the DU page were the same page?

That was, I believe, my point.:mad2:

Undertoad 09-02-2010 08:56 PM

Well, they aren't. They are different pages.

And that, I believe was my point.

Urbane Guerrilla 09-04-2010 12:35 AM

If you had one, that is. U-238 is DU. It sure as hell wouldn't be DU were it U-235.

Undertoad 09-04-2010 09:40 AM

It's like this: a cast iron skillet is iron, yes? You would look at a cast-iron skillet and say, "Oh, this is iron."

But iron is not a cast iron skillet. You would not look at a block of iron and say, "Oh, this is a cast iron skillet."

Similarly, DU is U-238. But U-238 is not DU.

Urbane Guerrilla 09-08-2010 02:17 AM

Since you cannot have DU without U-238, your point if any continues obscure. AFAIK, the scamsters were offering several kilos of uranium metal. Now then, were the victims of the scam in the market for elevator counterweights, or fissionables?

Undertoad 09-08-2010 08:17 AM

And you cannot have a cast iron skillet without iron.

Urbane Guerrilla 09-16-2010 11:33 AM

And so we come back to where we should have been all along, UT: depleted uranium is U-238, as much as refiners can conveniently make it.

Undertoad 09-16-2010 01:21 PM

Bill Clinton won the Bosnian War

Crimson Ghost 09-17-2010 12:58 AM

Perhaps someone wanted to build a Space Modulator?

Urbane Guerrilla 09-18-2010 12:28 AM

UT, if you know what point you are making, perhaps you might actually make it? If you're trying to bait, it is unbecoming, and you know how smart I think people are who persist in the unbecoming, don't you?

Undertoad 09-18-2010 09:39 AM

Bill Clinton won the Bosnian War

Urbane Guerrilla 09-20-2010 12:15 PM

I don't need the last word so long as I may have the best.


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