OMG SG!
 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12372097

what is this crap? they hold you up forever and then scrap the fucking thing?
This is what you were waiting on forever, right? What a fiasco. OK I guess this should be in current affairs, but it isn't, so sue me. After you've got your "messing with monster" background checks...... ;)

No, it's okay - it was already being reviewed when I applied. The VBS was actually a lower level check than the CRB and lower still than the Enhanced CRB (which was the one which held me up for over 3 months).

The VRB was always contentious, it created an enormous amount of paperwork for people who only saw children incidentally (once a month!), never in isolation and were never in a position to pose any threat. Also, the vast majority of abuse happens within the home or by people within the family's close inner circle (neighbour/ best friend/ partner of family member etc) and even these draconian measures would not prevent that.

I am classified as having "intensive contact with the young" so my Enhanced CRB is still deemed necessary. And I do agree that it is. Just not that it should take so bloody long!

Way too long. And way too complex by the sounds of it. Ah well. Did you have to be fingerprinted?

I spent an hour or so at Immigration today and was electronically fingerprinted for the first time (all fingers and thumbs). I was pretty impressed with the technology. Does anyone know if they do electronic fingerprinting in most countries now?

afis systems are becoming the norm in many developed nations. Besides scanning your prints, it can also compare them for identification within the database. We started using them in our jails in my area back in 1997

Yes, they're use here for background checks and immigration.

I certainly didn't have it here - neither did my brother, who works for HM Treasury.
Perhaps it's yet to reach us...

Soooo.... how was your first day???????????

Nosy people need to know!

It was good fun.
Super short!

So far my work pattern has been suggested as:
09.00-12.00 12.30-13.30
09.00-12.00 12.30-13.30
09.00-12.00 12.30-13.00
09.00-12.00 12.30-14.30 (Tiger cub sees the speech therapist this afternoon)
09.00-12.00 12.30-13.00

This may be rejigged - it's to make sure I'm available to cover half of the lunchbreak as he has little idea of physical danger.
At least his bright coat is easy to spot in the playground.

This week I will be working with the whole class, but making sure to work with and observe Tiger. I haven't been introduced specifically to him or to the class as his one-on-one support yet - just as a new Teaching Assistant. I'll go through things on Thursday with the therapist and start learning what support he needs and how best I can deliver that.
Today was a short session of numeracy (heavier and lighter), then Jack and the Beanstalk story and discussion (their current theme). After break we had PE, which with getting changed before and after took us nicely up to lunch. I forget how young they are, the lessons are SO different in structure and intensity and much of the day is spent "choosing" - where the children not working directly with the teacher can choose to write, read or play in the role play area.

Still, I know there will be plenty to focus on once I start working with him directly.

Oh SG that sounds great. I know short days = short pay, but it's easing you back into a daily routine, which can be a bit of a strain if you're out of practice :)

like i said, afis is used in developed nations. lol

We have afis :p we just don't use it for CRB checks.

Despite the push from the last government to try and build a nationwide DNA and fingerprint database, and despite the fact that DNA is now taken if you are taken in for questioning, regardless of whether or not charges are then pressed: we still frown on fingerprinting people who are not suspects.

You take DNA but don't collect fingerprints when running a back ground check. That's odd. We only take DNA if you are convicted of a sex crime or under court order as part of an investigation. Other states have passed laws mandating the collection of DNA in felony arrests

No, sorry I explained that badly :p We don't take DNA or finger prints for a back ground check. yet. Give us fucking time and we'll all be DNA'd and finger printed before you know it.

Yours isn't the only country with DNA recording concerns: Newborn DNA Sent to U.S. Military for Law Enforcement Database without Parent Consent

I had to learn to read fingerprints manually, what a pain, thank goodness those days are gone.

I think we should collect DNA at birth and implant a gps chip for easy identification and location

that's been happening for 9 years.... where have you been? :lol:

yes, joshing. ish.

at least they are giving people with backgrounds a second chance. here it's damn near impossible to find a job with a record. even if, as in my case, innocently proven guilty.

yeah. here in texas before i was released from prison they took dna from me. i'm all for it. i don't break the law i'm a good citizen and hell, the way i feel about it is this....if you are so worried about your dna on record? then what the heck are you hiding or doing to make you worried about it? yeah true we are becoming more of a socialistic state but someone somewhere jacked it up for the rest of us. so it's necessary imo.

seriously, i believe the collection and storing of dna profiles is the ultimate invasion of privacy

really? i mean com'on. it helps to have that data in the database. for all the f'ed up individuals that i ran into in prison....yeah, they need to be profiled. i dunno just voicing my opinion. to hear this from a cop is....well to say the least awkward. if someone, like i said before, is committing crimes that ensue the use of dna well then they deserve to be caught and dna can help that. then on the flip side, it can exonerate the innocent. my case was different. already posted about that but mine was self defense that got well....jacked up. she was the instigator the abuser the violent one. do me a favor sarge....when you have a domestic call make sure that the right person gets arrested. that woman fucked my life up sir. and the HPD didn't help at all. man. jail. period. he must have done what she said. wrong. i have a video i'd like you to see.....pm me if interested. it's post conviction but nevertheless worthy.

They've been fingerprinting large amounts of people in India to " facilitate business opportunities."

http://www.economist.com/node/18010459

If it were just convicts, that's an invasion of privacy and I think the data should be purged once that individual returns to society. That said, I can only be so sympathetic with criminals. If they're really sampling the DNA from all newborns, then it's terrible beyond imagining.

How would someone's grandchildren feel about being held in suspicion, or blacklisted from certain jobs, because of what their ancestors did? Don't tell me it won't happen. I would be surprised if it didn't. Hell, we already do it just based on "history."

i see your point and agree with it. personally? i'm not sympathetic to repeat offenders. i ran into several people who, like me, did not deserve to be locked up. but the majority in prison? ohhhh yeah. when and if they make parole...only a matter of time before they are locked up again. why? one word: institutionalized. they can't handle freedom and wind up back behind bars where they are, well, most comfortable. it's sad really. some get locked back up on purpose because they can't find a decent job and would rather be locked up and have 3 hots and a cot than sleep in a shelter or starve so they will go commit another felony just to get back in the system. met several who did just that and for that reason. personally i'd rather sleep in a shelter or starve. but that's just me. back to the point of the tread though, dna profiling isn't so bad imo. i can certainly understand your point of view of it being intrusive and as sarge said "the ultimate invasion of privacy" and i do agree. my point here is that with the use of dna people that go and say commit rape on a rhesus monkey held by a nun whistling dixie will be caught. (sorry for the what i think is a funny analogy) either way, yes it's i violation of privacy but on the other hand it's useful.

"...anyone who will trade freedom for security deserves neither." -- a quote attributed to Ben Franklin.

As is the case with many things... some of you are not thinking more than one move down the road here. If you follow my blog than you know that I warn about gateway laws. To sum it up...this means that "we the people" would never agree to "plan C" from the jump. But by passing laws that take us to C by first going through "A" and "B" we end up fucked before we know it. All of you have heard the stupid analogy about boiling the frog...this can be applied here as well.

Sure, we are all for catching criminals. But, plthijinx...are you not considered a criminal?? Weather you did it or not. You have already expressed concerns about this keeping you from living life the way you did before your conviction. I can not see how DNA profling will make this any better for you. Why? Because this is where I would think that these things will take us:

Here:
http://newscriminaldefense.wordpress...criminal-gene/

and here:
http://wn.com/slick3166

These people are locating and identifying "criminal genes" in peoples DNA. Hell the second guy got a reduced sentance because he was "predestined" by his genes to be a murderer. Now that worked out pretty swell for him on his sentance...but it will not work as well when he goes out for the McJob.

What happens when your daughter goes out for her first job at Wal-Mart and they tell her to fuck off cuz she has the shoplifting gene. Anytime you give a method of control to one group over another it will be exploited... and to think...we used to have to invent relgions for this kind of nonsense.

I think men should be judged by their actions. Each time. Just cuz I fucked your mother last year does not mean I will now. Hell... now I'm engaged so things are differant. While I had it in me to fuck someones mother before...now I will not. Has my DNA changed? I fucking doubt it.

We choose our actions everyday. While DNA profling might be useful in many cases... I think the bigger picture will be more harm than good and of course the loss of freedoms and opportunities for a great many folks.

Just my two cents... last I checked I worked at a go-kart track so obviously I can't be all that smart...lol.

alright true. you make a tangible point here. but the problem has already gone through plan "A" and "B" and now unfortunately we are at plan "C" due to someone fucking up along the way to ruin it for the rest of us. i say again my point is that the criminals should be profiled. yes. even me. i was innocent but still i went through the system therefore i am in it and profiled. if i had a criminal mind, which i don't, i would think twice about committing a crime knowing that my dna is on file. then again....the average IQ in texas prisons is 85. they're fucking stupid to begin with. i digress.

Right...except they wont use it JUST to catch criminals.

If they start doing this all potential employers, insurance companies (potential criminals will drive more dangerously cuz they run from the cops...lol), hospitals, universities...fuck..you name it will be using this to minimize supposed "risk" and maximize profits.

Think it won't happen? Then tell me why my credit score can be used to determine the amount I need to pay for car insurance?? Does me blowing off my Sears card really mean I'm more likely to get in an accident. Bullshit. I have a SUPER FUCKED credit score and I have never had a speeding ticket. My driving record is STELLER. Insane.

I am not arguing your point about crime. I'm just pointing out what will happen two moves later if this gets implemented and while "A" is good, "B" and "C" fucking sucks. And no... thankfully we are not there yet... at least on a big scale.

If it was only used to catch baby-rapers and nun-killers...might be alright. But it will be abused...

hopefully I will be proven wrong here... that would be great.

But I doubt it.

hmmm. didn't look at it that way. great point.

i wonder what you were like back in the day. i knew you before lori but like a few years ago back in the day? prolly woulda hated ya! lol! a love hate kinda way ya know....

Ask Ronnie some time...he has known me for the last five years and has some pretty good stories...lol.

share one or two here.....i dare ya

You ain't been finger-printed until you've been finger-printed by the U.S. Marshals. Took thirty minutes. They took prints from parts of my hands/fingers that I didn't know could leave prints, or even knew had prints.

Ball prints would be a tricky concept. I wonder if they've ever had to do that?

There was this weird documentary on some cable movie channel a few years ago. It showed the process they use to make porn-star branded sex toys.

They make molds of the actual erect penis and testicles for dildos, and molds of vulvas and buttocks and mouths for... I don't even know what to call them. Receptacles?

I'm not sure you can match them up to a person very easily... The process was very uncomfortable and took quite a long time.

Enhanced CRBs are good fun. I've actually got a small folder full of the things. I'm 99.9% I could, with five minutes of effort, come up with a cheaper and more efficient method of carrying out checks, but it keeps the civil service busy, so there is that positive outcome.