My thoughts on homophobia
 

Living and working in downtown Portland OR one can not swing a dead cat without hitting a homosexual. That being said I do not understand folks who judge a person based on sexual orientation. If that is how you form an opinion of a person you are REALLY missing a lot. I would like to think a person is more than what they do between the sheets.

The other side of this coin would be the gays and lesbians who hold their sexuality out as their identity. If their orientation is all they have to offer the world that is just plain sad. If this makes me a bad person so be it.

I agree with most of what you said there buttless. The only thing I'd comment on is to suggest that for some people, coming out of the closet has meant years of pain and suffering, and untold sacrifices. When you go through something like that, it's hard not to pin it on your sleeve.

Welcome to the cellar. :)

I'm against swinging cats.

I think it's wrong.

:apaw:

But if they are already dead, who does it really hurt? :p:

What about dead ones as I mentioned.

I'm against dead cat swinging and live dwarf tossing.

But feel free to toss the dead dwarves.

:D

I think popularising swinging dead cats will use up the natural supply of said deceased felines rather quickly. The prediliction can only then be satisfied by a wave of cat genocide.

Beware of the further consequnces of your suggestions.

One thing that always puzzles me about people that fulminate about teh gays is that they 1) assume it is a choice and 2) that it's so very tempting, even giving a male child a doll or letting him play with a handbag will be enough to turn him.

Coca Cola spend billions on persuading people a sweet brown drink is the ultimate improvement for everything from a hot day at the beach to a frosty Christian holiday. If only they knew that promotion and advertising was as easy as saying "I won't hate you if you do that little Johnny."

FTFY

homosexuality is very tempting...at least to Right-wing Republicans and members (HA!) of the clergy. Those folk seem to be 'hard-wired' for it. As Jon Stewart so wisely said, (and I'm paraphrasing) those who preach the most rabid anti-gay message are ususally the gayest of them all.

:D

I know what you mean, but look around any town, especially on a weekend evening, and you'll see that it's not just the gay folk that are like that.

No kidding, Buttless just passed judgement on nearly everyone on the planet.

I thinks it's just a stupid thing to do.. you don't see animals who are homosexual.. and in case you haven't noticed sex is on of the things that's separates animals from humans.. humans are the only species who have sex for fun.. taking it to the extreme and having gay sex is just plain wrong in the nature of the animal kingdom. So what makes it right in the human race?? Honestly I don't know and don't care to know. It's S-T-U-P-I-D

My dog blows himself any chance he gets. (when we aren't looking - he likes to hide in his crate to do it mostly). I imagine he does it because he enjoys it.

W.R.O.N.G.
Wiki link to show how widespread evidence is that you are WRONG. It's not a tiny footnote in a biologicial journal - it's a LONG article on Wikipedia about 24 species which are just cited as examples.

And no, of course Wiki is not a credible source. But I knew about lesbian tendencies in bonobo apes and gay giraffes (9/10 pairing are male/male) off the top of my head, so I figure the article leans towards accuracy.

And that's just Wikipedia.
Imagine how much more WRONG you would be if I started looking for official scientific links.

Oh, at least now I get why gay sex is so very tempting that people need to be wary of it.
Sex for fun is humans enjoying themselves.
Take it to the extreme...? Gay sex apparently.
Gay sex = netrosex PLUS!
Yup, it's a temptation alright.

I don't know why gay people get out of bed at all!

OK.
My choice of words could have been better. Much better.

An example would be a guy I know who will twist any conversation he gets involved in to the issue of gay rights. Somebody could be discussing a carburetor rebuild and Jerry will some how find a connection with gay rights.

I hope this makes more sense.

p.s. John Megahan is a friend of mine.... :lol:

It doesn't matter Buttless, although I'm reasonably confident that I understand what 'rights' are I don't even know what the phrase 'gay rights' actually means.

The thing that pisses me off the most about the state of gay discrimination in this country is that the government makes laws forbidding gays to marry each other. To our government, marriage is, pure and simple, a contractual agreement. It is not a moral situation to be legislated against (as compared to, say, murder) because it doesn't harm anyone else. IMHO, the only possible objections against gay marriage are based upon religious strictures. Since our government is constitutionally separate from churches, where does it get off restricting a contractual agreement between consenting adults based on religious proscriptions? Is this not the very essence of unconstitutionality? Every other pair of consenting adults can enter into any other contractual agreement as long as they are of the age of majority...but not gays?

Isn't it true that siblings aren't allowed to marry either, even if they can't have offspring?

I wasn't going to tackle this, as Sundae did such a bang up job already but...

Where did you get this notion that humans are the only species to have sex for fun? Or that there are no gay animals outside of humankind?

I see you over here in the philosophy section, railing against whatever state of knowledge or morals that you are apparently in, posting thread after thread of your search for truth and understanding.

Here's some advice for free: step away from the bible-class handouts and read some proper fucking books about proper fucking stuff. Read some biology and some history. Some natural history and anthropology. It's all there. If you don't fancy reading it, watch a documentary or three. Given what there is generally available about this stuff, it would take an act of will to remain this ignorant.

I don't want to see one more fucking word about your search for truth when you've stapled leadlined blinkers to the sides of your head.

Now I'm beginning to understand the origin of that commonly-heard expression "Christ was as gay as a sea urchin."

I think what cats do behind closed doors is nobody's business but theirs. If a couple of cat couples get together, hey, there's nothing wrong with swapping as long as everybody's into it.

And as long as no one gets hurt!

Well said Dana.

Homosexuals. They're the ones being hit.

Good point. Homosexuals don't deserve that. Nobody does.

My first thoughts were for the cats.
I'm obviously a closet homophobe.

In the same way Sarge is a Nazi...

Removing barriers to gay people exercising their rights.

Thanks Classic :)

So, just 'rights' then.

I guess it's allowing gay people access to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
Which they do not have at present.
And something that many Americans see as the basis of all law in the US.

Last I heard, in some American states you can still be sacked or refused housing (ie a rental you are paying for) if you are gay.

Huge apols if this is no longer true.

But it is true that same sex couples who are legally joined in other countries are simply not recognised.
So gay tourists might find family they have not spoken to in years (extreme situation) have precedence over their life partner if injured.

Land of the Free.

WHAT? Never heard that one. Not legally anyway.

Found this just in a few seconds checking.
I could find more, but my intention isn't pointing fingers, it was just to reassure myself I wasn't going mad.

So there was no law stating that it was ok.
I took that as you saying there was a law prohibiting them, which is not true.
Wait, I need you to define "sacked" please.

One example:

Denying gays equal rights shames us all

http://www.enquirer.com/columns/rade.../101698cr.html

Rights that everyone should be able to exercise, but gays can't. So hopefully, it will mean less and less as time goes on.

Spexx, got anything from this millennium?
That story was from 1998 and the issue started in 1992.
I agree that things are not perfect, I don't think they ever will be, but they are much better than they were and DADT is another step in that direction.

Class, there's this new thing on the internet. It's called Google, spelled g-o-o-g-l-e. You can find it at google.com. It'll help you find useful information, and so much more. Use it and learn.

From Feb 24, 2010, lazybones.

http://www.care2.com/causes/housing-...gay-thing.html

Proposition 8 was 2008, which seems like a repeat of Spexxvet's story.

And how about amending state constitutions to preclude the possibility of the court recognizing the rights of gays?

That's Spexxvet's story taken to the next level.

But HUD did propose new Rules on housing and all HUD programs on 9/19/11... the same day DADT was repealed

Thats actually where I was headed - thanks Lamp.