Shutdown
 

♫ Tach it up, tach it up
♪ Buddy gonna shut you down

♫ Declinin' numbers at an even rate
♪ At the count of one we both accelerate
♫ Democrats are light, slicks startin' to spin
♪ But the Republicans are really diggin' in
♫ Gotta be cool now power shift here we go

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There are many who would applaud this as a good thing.

Only once was I not paid while on active duty because of a shutdown. I didn't get a midmonth paycheck. It came through retroactively at the end of the month.

Legislation is required to be passed, each time there's a lengthy shutdown, for military personnel to get paid during the shutdown. If that doesn't happen, then legislation has to be passed, each time, for military personnel to get retroactive pay for that period after the shutdown is over.

How long do ya tihnk this shutdown will last??

He is trying to bully them to fund his wall.........

You knew you would get it eventually because you were still working, plus being housed and fed if necessary.

How can that be, he said Mexico would pay for the wall. :rolleyes:

That doesn't help spouses or children when not living in government housing. The paycheck includes stipends for off installation housing allowance and separate rations.

If he tries to get Mexico to pay for it by increasing import duty on tequila, we'll impeach him. There are limits.

I know a few federal workers. Some are still working and getting paid, and some are at home without a paycheck. All of them are decent people who work hard at their jobs.

Politicians who use them as pawns to score political points are tools.

Sometimes they are paid retroactively and sometimes not.

If Trump lets the shutdown drag on without getting funding for a physical border barrier, he's all washed up in politics when his term is up. Presidents have to at least know when to cut their losses to be given the chance to fight another day.

That assumes his supporter think logically. All Trump need do is insult others and change the topic with plenty more lies. His supporters will believe.

Remember, a crook Nixon still had his core 30% strong supporters even as he resigned in disgrace and criminal guilt. Those naive Nixon (and Trump) supporters refuse to acknowledge reality. It is the nature of many who still think like children; who only know what their extremist political biases order them to believe.

That wall would be paid for by Mexico - an obvious lie when he said it. It probably costs $25billion. Trump said 5. Now he says 2.5. Does not matter. He is not preaching to adults who think like adults. He is preaching only to adults still thinking like children. Trump can lie all he wants and they will love him for it. Logic cannot explain conclusions that only come from emotion.

Trump didn't win the popular vote and he only fills a niche with enough people to swing the Electoral College. His hardcore supporters alone can't carry him to reelection.

He doesnt know when ... He is a 2yo child who thinks he can bully everyone!!


Wouldnt surprise me if the shutdown lasted all year!!

Bears repeating. Just regular folks doing their jobs.

Federal employees usually are eventually paid, but contractors whose jobs are put on hold usually aren't.

our friends in labor jobs who only get paid when there is work are laughing at this thread

And so we further induce a recession by paying people for productive work that was never done. A lesson from recessions. When money spent today does not result in productive products four years from now, then that missing 'return on investment' creates recession.

Same reason why tax cuts also created recessions.

Trump is an adult who is still a child. This is his tantrum because he cannot have his wall. We elected the kind of person we wanted. He is the manifestation of us.

Because some have shitty jobs all should have shitty jobs, this instability is good for humans.

There are 3 people and 12 cookies, one guy takes 11 and tells one of the others "hey, look, he's trying to take your cookie".

"There are 3 people and 12 cookies, one guy (the fella who baked the cookies at his own expense) takes 12 and tells the others (slackasses each), 'get your own, motherfuckers'."

:thumb:

One guy owns the factory, the other two work at the factory. The workers actually made the cookies, the owner didn't do anything except sign checks. Who's lazy?

From my fingertips to God's eyes: Lord? Please let the government close...not just some sliver but all of it...let all the dependent poor folks go apeshit (cuz I need target practice)...let all the folks whose wealth and power are tied to government go apeshit and become food for the food stampers and (gov) cheeseheads (cuz I need entertainment).

Make my aim steady, my finger quick, my ammo plentiful, Lord. Bring satisfaction to my sense of humor, Lord.

"One guy owns the factory, the other two work at the factory. The workers actually made the cookies, the owner didn't do anything except sign checks. Who's lazy?"

The owner, of course. Doesn' matter cuz he OWNS the factory.

So what? He may have inherited a factory from his daddy, but he can't make a single cookie without those workers.

He is maintaining jobs as long as he runs the enterprise correctly. It is a pretty great thing to do.

http://cellar.org/2017/elonmusk1.png

"He may have inherited a factory from his daddy"

Probably. Best get to work, change the culture, get folks to see 'property' differently. Or: you can just 'go Maoist', and revolt.

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"he can't make a single cookie without those workers."

Mebbe not. Them workers need to demand fair compensation or work elsewhere (or 'go Maoist').

So anyway. The shutdown.

It's making my job more complicated. I needed to respond to something that came from the World Intellectual Property Organization by January 26th. If I don't reply by then, a small company will lose its protection in a number of countries around the world. Only wrinkle is that I respond to WIPO through the USPTO. They rubber stamp what I have to say and forward it along to Geneva.

I filed my document this morning, almost a month before the deadline, but if the USPTO doesn't get to it before their funding runs out in a week or so, I will miss the WIPO deadline and the company loses.

"the company loses"
 

:cry:

Henry Quirk in The absurdity of Donald Trump
Harm to glatt and all company employees is a good thing ... according The Don's admirer.

He also loves what Eddie Lambert has done to Sears and Kmart employees and customers to only enrich himself, the crap that GM produces, so many jobs lost due to Trump Tariffs, this Trump created recession, and destruction of GE to the benefit of more patriotic American (German) companies such as Bosch and Siemens.

Apparently he also wants to see more car crashes and train wrecks. So he mocks glatt.

I'm getting a bunch of emails and phone calls from the two blood drive organizations I use, that blood reserves in this area are very low and they need donors. Apparently, blood drives that are routinely held at government offices have been canceled because they are closed and that slight interruption has impacted reserves.

Oh, blood is still being provided by those unpaid government employees. It's just being sold to the places that will pay for it.

I'm sure there will be a lot of organizations claiming dubious losses by jumping on the government shutdown bandwagon.

tw,

You're welfare is in jeopardy. Might be time to go back to work.

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Sexobon,

Exactly right.

FCC has shut down so it's safe to swear on the air. ;)

These are two competing organizations who are telling the same story. But I suppose it's fake news. Blood supplies can't be quantified. Can't count that type of thing. No way to count units of blood in a fridge.

You can't explain that.

I suppose government employees who were giving blood at the office can't continue giving blood on their own just like other people do. It couldn't possibly be in retaliation for the shutdown like calling in sick when your position requires you to work. Can't count on people coming forward to donate in an actual emergency if they won't donate just to replenish expendable reserves. No way blood can be sourced from around the country or donated to us by other countries as the fake news said happened after 9/11. Poor poor pitiful us.

So now it's not the lying Red Cross, and Innova Blood Services, it's those worthless lazy federal employees who can't be bothered to do what regular old honest Americans do. They deserve to be shut down. Lazy fucks.

Your extrapolation, not mine. I know that those services can still send mobile teams to those vicinities if they want to. People can still give blood if they want to. Deserve has nothing to do with it. You're just upset that you're being imposed upon to take up the slack for their nonparticipation and making the shutdown a scapegoat because it adversely affects you in your business. It's called bootstrapping and it's dishonest.

Don't these blood collections set up in federal buildings bleed more than government employees? I thought they did it there because it cost little or nothing.

It helps keep their overhead down. They sell the blood they collect to meet their operating expenses and have something left over for other endeavors. Not being able to use federal buildings will have a negative impact on that. They'll also lose donations because the federal employees aren't being pressured to donate. Many wouldn't otherwise donate and many won't if it simply becomes less convenient.

There are; however, other things that cause donations to drop off, especially at this time of year. For example, a situation from this time last year that occurred without a government shutdown.

There's always something else to blame. It's the blood drawing agencies' responsibility to compensate. Notice no one is yet activating medical elements of the National Guard or Reserves to chip in. Chicken Little Syndrome.

Oh well, I'm just a spectator as they won't take mine anyway.

The weather guys in Anchorage send a message..

Probably* very clever! Though from 2013.

*I have no idea whether the forecast is also accurate, or just gibberish...

I'd assume they could get in trouble is it wasn't reasonably accurate.

If you pay attention to the news, you probably remember hearing of problems at Joshua Tree National Park because of the shutdown. People cutting down Joshua trees, camping all over the place where it is prohibited, driving off road through the fragile desert, filthy bathrooms, overflowing garbage cans, litter everywhere.

Well, my sister was at Joshua Tree National Park last week, and she swung by my house last night on her way to a conference in Baltimore today. I was eager to ask her if the news stories about Joshua were accurate.

She had a good old laugh about that. She said they were almost entirely false. She said the bathrooms were clean, the garbage cans were pretty empty, there was no litter anywhere. She said that she saw one tree that had been cut down, that much was true. And a few cars had pulled off onto the shoulder where they were not technically supposed to. Nobody was off-roading, and nobody was camping illegally.

She said that it was a lot more crowded than she had seen it in the past, and her perception was that locals who don't normally go to the park because it is so expensive to enter a National Park these days were visiting because it was free. So there were people, but she thought they were well behaved. And there were lots of volunteers cleaning.

Is it possible that when the reports first surfaced the place was a mess* and the locals have responded by volunteering - and so when you sister visited it all looked fine again?


*which the media then exaggerated

Apparently the House Republicans forget the procedure when they're not in charge. They let a voice vote pass to fund the government, and then complained when it passed.

Of course, the Democrats want the Republicans on-record voting to keep the government closed, so they'll give them a do-over.

I wonder if the Republicans were hoping the Democrats would refuse to redo the vote, so they could have the vote pass, but have no vote on record, and have a thing to complain about.

This Is Mitch McConnell’s Shutdown.
Evidently McConnell could put an end to it but won't.

He could make it more explicitly Trump's shutdown by passing the House bill, which is identical to the Senate bill that was passed unanimously last year, and forcing Trump to veto it.

Could a veto be overridden? No idea.

Many are saying YES, they have the votes to override a veto. They're trying to get 20-25 Republican Senators to write a letter to Trump saying, "we'll vote to open, and vote to override."

Of course, none of this matters since ONE MAN controls the entire Government. It doesn't matter how people would vote if Mitch McConnell won't let them vote on anything.

https://townhall.com/columnists/john...risis-n2539087

This government shutdown is now longer than any in history. The media keep using the word "crisis."

"Shutdown sows chaos, confusion and anxiety!" says The Washington Post. "Pain spreads widely."

The New York Times headlined, it's all "just too much!"

But wait. Looking around America, I see people going about their business -- families eating in restaurants, employees going to work, children playing in playgrounds, etc. I have to ask: Where's the crisis?

Pundits talk as if government is the most important part of America, but it isn't.

We need some government, limited government. But most of life, the best of life, goes on without government, many of the best parts in spite of government.

Of course, the shutdown is a big deal to the 800,000 people who aren't being paid. But they will get paid. Government workers always do -- after shutdowns.

Columnist Paul Krugman calls this shutdown, "Trump's big libertarian experiment." But it's not libertarian. Government's excessive rules are still in effect, and eventually government workers will be paid for not working. That makes this a most un-libertarian experiment.

But there are lessons to be learned.

During a shutdown when Barack Obama was president, government officials were so eager to make a point by inconveniencing people that they even stopped visitors from entering public parks.

Trump's administration isn't doing that, so PBS found a new crisis: "Trash cans spilling... (P)ark services can't clean up the mess until Congress and the president reach a spending deal," reported "NewsHour."

But volunteers appeared to pick up some of the trash.

Given a chance, private citizens often step in to do things government says only government can do.

The Washington Post ran a front-page headline about farmers "reeling... because they aren't receiving government support checks."

But why do farmers (and tw) even get "support checks"?

One justification is "saving family farms." But the money goes to big farms.

Government doesn't need to "guarantee the food supply," another justification for subsidies. Most fruit and vegetable farmers get no subsidies, yet there are no shortages of peaches, plums, green beans, etc.

Subsidies are a scam created by politicians who get money from wheat, cotton, corn and soybean agribusinesses. Those farmers should suck it up and live without subsidies, too.

During shutdowns, government tells "nonessential workers" not to come to work. But if they're nonessential, then why do we pay 400,000 of them?

Why do we still pay 100,000 American soldiers in Germany, Japan, Italy and England? Didn't we win those wars?

We could take a chainsaw to so much of government.

The New York Times shrieks, "Shutdown Curtails FDA Food Inspections!"

Only if you read on do you learn that meat and poultry inspection is done by the Department of Agriculture. They're still working. And the FDA is restarting some inspections as well.

More important, meat is usually safe not because of government -- but because of competition.

Food sellers worry about their reputations. They know they'll get bad publicity if they poison people (think Chipotle), so they take many more safety measures than government requires.

One meat producer told me that they employ 2,000 more safety inspectors than the law demands.

Lazy reporters cover politicians. Interviewees are usually in one place -- often Washington, D.C. Interviewing politicians is easier than covering people pursuing their own interests all over America. But those are the people who make America work.

While pundits and politicians act as if everything needs government intervention, the opposite is true.

Even security work is done better by the private sector. At San Francisco's airport, security lines move faster. Passengers told me, "The screeners are nicer!" The TSA even acknowledged that those screeners are better at finding contraband. That's because San Francisco (Kansas City, Seattle and a dozen smaller airports) privatized the screening process. Private companies are responsible for security.

Private contractors are better because they must compete. Perform badly, and they get fired.

But government never fires itself.

Government workers shout, "We are essential!" But I say: "Give me a break. Most of you are not."

what the ƒuck is that eyesore-- a quote? or are you going to start BOLDING ALL OF YOUR OWN TEXT??

that's horrible to look at. I've never put anyone on "ignore" for ugly posts, but if you make that a habit...



if it's a quote "do this"

"what the ƒuck is that eyesore-- a quote? or are you going to start BOLDING ALL OF YOUR OWN TEXT??"

As you know: the bolded material is Stossel's essay, and you know how I normally do quotes. As for it bein' an eyesore: eye of the beholder.

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"that's horrible to look at."

Sez you, beholder.

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"I've never put anyone on "ignore" for ugly posts, but if you make that a habit..."

No skin offa my scrotum if you do, so: git to it, fella.

What is big and black is what he worships. Shit. He loves plenty of shit so he can 'wreck' it.

He will deny it even though he clearly said it - with a glean in his eye.

"What is big and black is what he worships. Shit He loves plenty of shit so he can 'wreck' it."

You vulgar child.

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"He will deny it even though he clearly said it - with a glean in his eye."

I never denied it: I HIRED TRUMP TO WRECK GOVERNMENT, TO CURB STOMP CULTURE, TO END YOUR WELFARE CHECKS.

If he does that, he can whore and lie and steal as much as he likes.

Your honesty about wanting Trump to wreck stuff is refreshing, but why go through that effort to hide the text of some of your post? Embrace what you want to say.

"Your honesty about wanting Trump to wreck stuff is refreshing"

:thumbsup:

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"but why go through that effort to hide the text of some of your post? Embrace what you want to say."

It was supposed to be red, white, and blue (cuz I think wreckin' overbearing government is an American virtue) but the white doesn't, obviously, show up well.

Even he cannot stomach some of the things he says.

"Even he cannot stomach some of the things he says."
 

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Yeah. When you're trying to fly somewhere, trusting good ol' helpful Joe Blow from Cocamo doesn't quite cut it. :facepalm:

Are you stuck somewhere?

[quote=Glinda;1023678]... trusting good ol' helpful Joe Blow from Cocamo doesn't quite cut it./QUOTE]

Its Kokomo, IN with a K. The center of the universe and why Joe lives there.

Ah, right you are. Apparently, when stressed, my internal spell-checker goes on the fritz. ;)

Last night I was stuck at PDX waiting for my flight to take off, so I could enjoy a long overdue vacay in the Caribbean. Said flight was delayed, then delayed again, making it impossible for me to make my connecting flight to the islands. Trying again Wednesday night. :(