Why April Needs to be IP Banned
 

Below is the text of a PM April sent me yesterday when I challenged her reasons for coming here, after she chose option 2 (for those playing at home, that was "Because you're a troll", paraphrased).

I'll let that speak for itself.

Go ahead do whatever the fuck you want run to undertoad and be a bitch.

Thats to ALL of you!

For what it's worth, this was my reply:

I think we've reached the point where we have sufficient evidence that this child is abusing the ability to use the Internet during school hours.

Didn't someone track down what school went to and the associated IP address? I have her LogOn ID that she said she used at the school, (because she so brilliantly used it as her log on HERE previously)

I think it's time to contact the school district and advise them of what their students do during the school day.

I know that if I lived in Texas, I'd just be thrilled beyond words that this is what my tax dollars were paying for.

If she were my daughter, she'd be locked up in a girl's school and let out about when she was 30.

(And yes, I'm secretly waiting for the "I'm a troll on Internet Forum Boards edition of Jerry Springer - Starring April - the girl who admits to Lying)

Dagney

She wasn't a 'text book' troll.

It wasn't her goal to provoke people. She was just bored to death during study hall and had nowhere to go. So she went to this forum and posted idiotic crap hoping to get some quick responses.

She probably posted the rape crap to get some sort of support/empathy from dave and others who were at the time trying to save her from the evil FNF.

Anyway no more out of me on this idiotic topic.

Glad it's over.

I tend to use the term "troll" loosely. She was trying to provoke a response of some kind be it positive or negative.

I was content to keep my mouth shut until she started with the wetback thing. That really touches a nerve with me. Several years back, I worked for a roofing company which employes a lot of (legal) mexican crews. This was in Iowa, and people yoused to call in irate the there were "wetbacks" and "mesksicans" working on their roof. The men I met on those crews were nothing but hard-working devoted family men and not a one of them deserved to be treated with anything but respect.

Odd..I never heard the term before.

Must not have made it to the east coast, that or I'm just excluded from hearing it due to working in IT etc..

From the Jargon File:

The deed is done. We'll see whether it 'takes'.

There was a day when I'd just say if we all just ignored her, she would either go away or reform.

I think if you did that she'd just create 50 accounts to chat with herself...

I'm almost curious enough to try...

Undertoad, I believe you've given that advice before, and no one here seems able to follow it. People get too much enjoyment out of flaming people and getting flamed back. It's kind of depressing.

thank you toad......she sent ME this PM....wonder if it's lies too:
i said:
hope that the ip ban works......

asshat crapflooding retard

You guys should have listened to me when I said the rape claim was bullshit.

"Oh, no, Juju.. I regularly see first posters who tell me they were raped when they were twelve!"

Yea! The ignoring was getting tiresome. But it did save me the psycho PMs! Maybe that, and it sounds like she/he/it's trolling for manmeat.

C'mon.... admit it, man. Two of the most satisfying words an admin can type are 'deny from'. :biggrin:

an "I told you so?"

she never claimed rape, juju. She just said she had sex at 12 yrs old with an oldr guy....

we(well, some of we) decided that it was rape.

Yes, an I told you so. After all I shit I caught just for wording my observation badly, I think I at least deserve to let it be known that I was right.

Sorry about the rape thing. I misspoke. :)

It just depends on the person...ignoring some people works brilliantly. But for some folks, it's like the Morrissey song..."the more you ignore me, the closer I get."

I would be the latter. :)

As far as April goes, "Everybody knows that the world is full of stupid people"--The Refreshments

(Sorry about the musical lyrics...they just seemed appropriate here.)

If the PM she sent FnF was true ... I think it's damn awful that CPS is after her (not from the perspective that she's wrongly accused of something, but that she has been accused of something she actually did) AND that she's fleeing the jurisdiction and abandoning AprilJr AND that her parents appear to be in collusion with her (mom sending and father accepting).

The baby would probably be in better hands were it adopted by a competent person/family. Do you really think that April turned out the way she did with no maternal influence? I bow to your superior psychological knowledge (Wolf), but I would guess that many of April's emotional issues stem from her upbringing, therefore the poor April Jr is being groomed to be another attention-grabbing delusional insecure fuckup who shirks responibility for her actions and endlessly seeks approval from others as a means of validating her self worth. So to sum up - CPS = good, April/April's mom = bad.

/edit - grammar/

Looks like fNF was correct in his initial assessment. I think that needs to be said.

i don't think there is much that CPS is better than.....i'd rather see the childs parents or gp's raise her......you just can't win with foster care or group homes......

Not slighting FNF but what do we know is true? The entire r9703410 through April goes to Colorado could be concocted by a bored school janitor in Texas, for all I know. :alien:

Of course, when she gets to Colorado Springs, we have to go through this exercise all over again.

Assuming that april doesn't push everyone there over the edge. :)

I don't know which is more amusing. The nonsense posted by some teenage girl - or so much emotion from others here who should have been adult enough to just ignore it. Long time Cellar Dwellers will remember a man named Barak - who played the "white boys" incessently. He too got others all huffed up and emotional over what was simple silliness. The difference was that Barak openly acknowledged he was baiting the "white boys". It is not just April who was being absurdly amusing. Funny to watch the pots call the kettle black.

condescending, much?

the problem with a post like that is that if you respond to it, you're basically admitting guilt to what he accuses you of.

[COLOR=sea-green]Very kind of you to point out our flaws, so that we might improve our lowly ass selves. Perhaps you would like to give the rest of us some pointers on the proper way to act on some other topics, so that we can be better people. . [/color]

Curious how you think your mindset is "our" mindset. Others responded to April with specific agendas. Dagney, for example, expressed both a curiosity and the hand of a helpful friend. Best way to summarize both Wolf and Oynxcougar's responses is 'tough love'. Beestie logically identified a sadistic relationship between April and some (only a few) posters. The relationship existed even if one poster would deny it.

Again, those posters were just the type that Barak setup to play. Those with self serving emotional objectives rather than logical ones. Those who were so quick to judge without first hearing something original. Some posted, as if only for a self serving 'sadistic' gratification, to attack a kid. Some of what they posted:orRather unfortunate that this kid, April, has put herself into this mess. And rather sad that her life may be in such disrepair that she puts it all out for everyone to read - maybe a classic call for help. And yes, she is a kid apparently with parents who may also still be kids.

Beestie did ask an important question. Since he could not get an honest answer from the actors, then he was forced to suggest an answer himself: A curious question to those that are professionals in this science. Are some of the abusive responses to April precursors to a sadistic personality? Might this be the type of person that routinely takes delight at the expense of others in other social settings?

Like Barak, April was only an interesting lightning rod. Nothing there that should have made anyone angry - unless they are easy bait for the Barak types. Barak had an agenda to play some 'white boys' emotions - and did so successfully. However did April expose what may be unacceptable social behavior in some posters? Apparently some who abused April took delight in it - and also refused to answer Beestie's question.

or perhaps a few of us are disgusted by people like April and can't hold our "tongues" indefinitely. Maybe a little sadism is shining through in your posts as well? Or maybe you just derive pleasure from lurking until the end of an issue, at which point you can come in with a haughty attitude after no involvement in what you are commenting on.

<disgust><amusement>

I would like to suggest that it's time for this thread to be closed. Jeez.

</amusement></disgust>

come on, you don't really want her banned. who are you going to gossip about and crack on when she's gone?

I'LL GIVE YOU THREE GUESSES

insoluble
undertoad
stacey v

Undertoad?

Hmm. Would that mean he would have to ban himself?

no, it means he is one of my three guesses on who will be cracked on and gossiped about when april is gone.

I hear Undertoad secretly enjoys soap operas.

When my dad had a major heart attack and retired, he found himself watching "Days of our Lives" on a regular basis. It happens.

Not to suggest that Tony's getting _old_, or anything...

Or maybe this long thread demonstrated the fundamental difference between those who insist all should conform to their morals - the Rush Limbaugh types - verses those who are not intolerant.

I don't approve of April's life style choices. But I am not so 'religious right extremist' or 'Rush Limbaugh' as to sadistically attack her. For that matter, I am not attacking anyone - simply posting a summary observation - and kudos to some who posted helpfully. I enjoyed watching posters such as Wolf, Dagney, and Onyxcougar post as responsible Americans do. They did not get emotionally upset. They remained logical - meaning they provided the thread with good input.

There are lessons here for the 'black pots' who emotionally attacked April. Unfortunately they are probably too emotional to want to hear it.

One can be disgusted by April. But an adult does not post those emotions. An adult posts logically - with an objective beneficial to all. Apparently some only attacked April for self serving, personal gratification.

and some people can't resist an opportunity to make a wise crack. You assume that people give(gave) a shit about the girl....maybe you are right in one or two notable examples. I can only speak for myself, and can honestly say that my emotions remain in check. Unless you count withering distaste an emotion. I was simply tired of her and FnF squashing the topic of every thread that they crossed paths on. And with a little coaching, FnF took the hint. I don't know you, tw, but you seem to use big words easily and have good grammar, so I'll assume (for the moment) that you are of reasonable intelligence. The issue I have here is the tone.

Please try not to sound so high and mighty. This is only a request. I don't have any right to tell you how to act, but your post made me edgy. Pardon the sarcasm in my reply if you please, but while you were chastising the dwellars for responding to "trolling", you were, yourself, trolling.

Nicely done.
:beer:

In my experience, adults post a whole range of messages, from purely logical and well-thought out, to wildly emotional.

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize that by "adult" you meant "conforming to my morals".

Now you do Jim, now you do.

this, then is tw's M.O. ?

i'll try not to get too emotional over his posts then. thx, bruce

Again, you are assuming emotional perspective. If I call you a f-ing asshole or simply stupid; notice, it would only come with logical reasons for that bottom line conclusion. I don't post politically correct. In fact I have little respect for political correctness. Those who are politically correct are too often liars. To understand what and why I have posted, only look as the logical facts; what has been acutally posted. Read nothing implied; only look for other interpretations because English can mispresent the original point. Furthermore, I don't care how you emotionally perceive my posts (which is probably why Bruce has so much distress with my posts- he may have been raised by politically correct adults and demands same). But if you think I have come off high and almighty, then you have not a clue as to where I am coming from. The only part in my posts that have any relevance is the logical progression and the blunt honest (politically incorrect) thought. I make no attempt to do what I was raised to do - be politically correct - lie to be polite.

In simple terms, if April inspired any emotions, then the adult thing to do is simply ignore those emotions - post nothing. That is what adults must do with children. And clearly April was a child - regardless of age or sexual maturity of her body. A more interesting question is why she is a child - be it from low intelligence or from her peers masking as adults. Again, there is nothing to be concluded or drawn from these sentences about April other than logical curiousity, speculation, or confusion as to who she really is(was). If you (or anyone else) perceives any 'friendly' or 'adversarial' relationship from me, then again, you have totally misconstrued my posts. I don't need (nor seek) either. Instead ask yourself why you have mistakenly jumped to such a conclusion - and instead ask why or where that logical progression of ideas has come from.

I simply watched this outrageously funny (or pathetic) progression of posts around April (and not all posts because there were too many). One trend that kept repeating: Some simply wanted to disparage or attack this girl only for personal emotional reasons. Why? There were no logical reasons to do so. That leaves only emotional reasons to attack her.

Not that I expected Dagney or Onyxcougar to help her since I suspect April is a victim of her adult peers. But nowhere - at no time - should you conclude anything implied; a subverted agenda; a hidden intention in anything I post. What I post was entirely what was my blunt intention - to identify attacks on a troubled girl who really did not deserve that apparently 'emotionally inspired' drubbing. Someone who may have been actually reaching out for help - exactly as a teenagers 'in more trouble than she wants to admit' might do.

Another said this thread should end. It ends easily when one is not emotionally attached. Its called 'stop reading it' - the logical response. Notice - this also was not an attack. No emotion should be implied or perceived. There is nothing high or almighty in that conclusion. It is brutal, frank honesty. If this thread (or April) has continued on too long, then be adult. Stop reading it. Where, in any of this, is a personal attack, an insult, or a decree from the Emperor?

(TW the First does not have a poetic rhythm to it anyway.)

Where are you from, tw?

boy, what _in_THE_hell_are you_talkin about?!

dronin' on and on. do you believe your own bullshit? Tooting your own horn. yuck!

I think you need a healthy dose of dave.

fucktard


i'm resisting the temptation to slice your post up and refute it point by point because it's hard for people to read and follow.

oh, fuck it....it needs to be done. try to follow me.

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Again, you are assuming emotional perspective.

show me where YOU assume that I am assuming an emotional perspective please.

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I don't post politically correct. In fact I have little respect for political correctness. Those who are politically correct are too often liars. To understand what and why I have posted, only look as the logical facts; what has been acutally posted. Read nothing implied; only look for other interpretations because English can mispresent the original point.

facts? what facts? you posted your opinion that we were all suckers. And most of this doesn't even make any sense. do you think in a language other than english? martian perhaps?

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Furthermore, I don't care how you emotionally perceive my posts

so why do you open with that?

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In simple terms, if April inspired any emotions, then the adult thing to do is simply ignore those emotions - post nothing. That is what adults must do with children.

so if you have kids, which i hope you do not, you ignore them when they become emotional?
you're confusing MR spock with DR spock, genius

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And clearly April was a child - regardless of age or sexual maturity of her body. A more interesting question is why she is a child - be it from low intelligence or from her peers masking as adults. Again, there is nothing to be concluded or drawn from these sentences about April other than logical curiousity, speculation, or confusion as to who she really is(was).

blah blah blah...mouth moving, words coming out.

did you say anything here?.......really tough to follow unless you stop here and go with a new paragraph to start the next bit of flotsam.

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If you (or anyone else) perceives any 'friendly' or 'adversarial' relationship from me, then again, you have totally misconstrued my posts. I don't need (nor seek) either. Instead ask yourself why you have mistakenly jumped to such a conclusion - and instead ask why or where that logical progression of ideas has come from.

OK, i never said you were friend or foe. whatever

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I simply watched this outrageously funny (or pathetic) progression of posts around April (and not all posts because there were too many). One trend that kept repeating: Some simply wanted to disparage or attack this girl only for personal emotional reasons. Why? There were no logical reasons to do so. That leaves only emotional reasons to attack her.

You seem to be hung up on emotion in this thread. Is expressing your emotions a no no? I don't think it is. it seems that you do. why? isn't half of thought involved in the emotional response you have to a topic? this isn't science class, it's life. If people are disgusted by something or someone, they are welcome to express it in this forum. who made you the emotion police?

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Not that I expected Dagney or Onyxcougar to help her since I suspect April is a victim of her adult peers. But nowhere - at no time - should you conclude anything implied; a subverted agenda; a hidden intention in anything I post. What I post was entirely what was my blunt intention - to identify attacks on a troubled girl who really did not deserve that apparently 'emotionally inspired' drubbing. Someone who may have been actually reaching out for help - exactly as a teenagers 'in more trouble than she wants to admit' might do

if you HAD read the realted threads and had some clue about what you are referring to, you would know that she admittedly lied about most of the things she posted. She doesn't deserve our angst?

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Another said this thread should end. It ends easily when one is not emotionally attached. Its called 'stop reading it' - the logical response. Notice - this also was not an attack. No emotion should be implied or perceived. There is nothing high or almighty in that conclusion. It is brutal, frank honesty. If this thread (or April) has continued on too long, then be adult. Stop reading it.

I think hubris boy was commenting on the fact that she's gone and we (you included) are still discussing it. when you tell some one to be adult, you are backhandedly calling them childish. so, be a non-asshat, please and stop that.

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Where, in any of this, is a personal attack, an insult, or a decree from the Emperor?

delusions of granduer now? don't post drunk.

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(TW the First does not have a poetic rhythm to it anyway.)

your logic is truly dizzying. as in, you go round and round repeating yourself and not really making much of a point.

allow me to try and paraphrase your post:

"i'm a fucktard, and I am afraid of my own emotions. Therefore no one else should express any emotion or risk being talked down to. Furthermore, I am smarter than you, and will keep blathering on and on about a mute point until i have bored you into submission."

now go away or i shall taunt you a second time.

silly english KA-Nigget

April must scare Lumberjim. What a perfect example of one who cannot be bothered with anything not understood! Apparently Lumberjim knows better and must attack when others disagree - logically or emotionally.

Are you sure you are not April's father - or a relative? Such outright hostility simply because you don't understand something. Not even taking time to try to understand what you don't understand; but with too much time to insult. It demonstrates why such vicious attacks on April - which is the subject of this discussion. Did you fear her because you did not understand her? Apparently it is in your nature to attack anything not understood - a characteristic of intolerant extremists - and what happens when the wrong head is used for thinking.

Testosterone is not brain matter. Testosterone is the source of emotional tirades. Would you like to repost in a more responsibile manner using a head located on your shoulders?

LMAO! :haha: I'm sitting here like, "Is this dude some sort of robot?!??" Sheesh! :rolleyes:

What, in lumberjim's posts, indicates his fear of april?

tw,

you could not be more off base. I never "viciously: attacked april. I could give a shit about her. what's to understand? and where in the hell did you come up with the thinking with my dick bit?...really? what the fuck did i say that was sexual in any way? you should just stop and let it go, as you are exposing yourself as a fool. big words and haughty tones do not intelligence make.

this is the first time i have taken any real notice of what you post. judging by this experience, ( and I am a very good judge of character) i would characterize you as follows:

you are of average intelligence and above average education. I would say that you read a lot, but your comprehension is limited. I know people like you and they annoy me. you think that you are my better. your parents were probably rich. your father was or is very stoic, and your mom really doesn't matter. i'd also guess that you got beaten up a lot as a child, and harbor resentment borne in that period of your life. unpopular in the prep school that you attended, and most likely single now. i bet you're gay. you might even enjoy placing large vegetables up your ass. i would say that there is a good chance that you are wearing ladies underwear right now, and you shaved your legs in the bath this morning.

it is my opinion that the above makes just about as much sense as the SHIT you just made up.
crapflooder

And if so, what powers does he have? Does he use them for good, or for awesome?

I'm guessing that you're from Philadelphia, tw. Am I right?

Are you married? What do you do for a living?

I'm just curious.

*snork!!* Whew..put down my water just...in...time to save my keyboard and screen!! :D

:haha: :haha: Not even close, TW.
The thing that "distresses" me about your posts is your habit of coming into a thread, telling everyone what they think is preposterous and irrelevant, then setting off on your own agenda which has only a 50 % chance of being remotely related to the thread.
The other thing is your habit of lecturing on something you read in the economist or somewhere as if it were written in stone by the hand of God and anyone that doesn't understand or agree is a fool.
Summary- You come off as pompous and annoying and that turns people off, which is a shame because sometimes you do have good points to make. You can say, if they can't understand your facts without emotion it's their loss but if you can't communicate with them it's really your loss.

not that there's anything wrong with that.


I would just like to say for the record, to those of you who may be of homosexual orientation, that I apologize sincerely for any offense i have offered. It was not my intent to say that being gay has turned tw into the tool he is today, and the comment was intended soley to expose his ludicrosity and warped method of "reasoning."

Too late homophobe.:p

Is a person gay if they repeatedly have anal sex with men, or are they only gay if they're attracted to men?

:eek:have you been talking to jinx?

yes