Question about rims and intelligence
 

I have a question--am I the only one who thinks that fancy rims on a piece of shit car is stupid?

There's a car here in Hammond, and when I call it a POS, I mean it. This thing is puke-yellow, rusty, and falling apart, but the guy has those spinning rims on it. Considering the price of those particular rims, it seems to me that it would make more sense to put a down-payment on a decent vehicle, rather than put good rims on a crappy car. There's another guy in town who has a nice car, and he has spinny rims on his car, too, but at least it makes sense, ya know?

I don't care how cool it is--if you have a shitty car, cool rims just make you look STOOPID.



Sidhe

I've always thought that, too. Even on a nice car I think those spinning rims look ridiculous. I think they all should be banned based solely on the total tackiness factor.

Those things are a damn danger (these the ones that spin independantly of the wheels right?), I know at least one fellow biker who almost had an accident because he couldn't judge the vehicle speed properly because he didn't know these existed. Seen a couple of letters in magazines as well.

Definitely a crappy car does not deserve any major detailing or rims of any kind. You see that kind of thing all the time here in NE Philly. It's like a culture or sumthin'... :yelsick:

I don't get the whole car thing. It's just a car. A thing. A necessary evil to get you from one place to another. Put as little money into it as possible to keep it running smoothly. Think about it as little as possible. Work on it as little as possible.

When I was a teenager, I liked cars, and got all the car magazines. Then I grew up.

Nice rims on an unsafe, rusted, ugly car simply display that the person doesn't have their priorities straight in the first place. And that is why they are driving an unsafe, rusted, ugly car.

I just don't get the fucking gullwing on a car like the Chrysler Cirrus.

No, then you grew old. :p

Nice rims on a rough car can be a poor sense of priorities, however there is another possibility. The guy (usually a guy) may be planning on fixing the car up, either restoring or customizing it. The normal route is to do all the mechanicals and safety items first, then the body and paint, lastly the interior and trim. Usually these projects are done on a budget and it seems like it will never be done. To the guy that's gotten bloody knuckles most every weekend for months(years) and doesn't see any progress even though he knows how much he's accomplished, a new set of wheels can be a boost.

Oh,... and maybe he stole the wheels. :)

This is one of my pet peeves. I hate, hate, HATE car people and their stupid crappy rims, whether they're on a $500 car or a $50,000 car. I hate low riders. I hate big trucks with big tires. I hate rice burners. I hate car clubs. I hate stereo competitions. I hate it all. To me a car is simply transportation. I cannot understand all the bullshit that goes along with the "car culture". I don't think it's because I'm getting older, either. I'm 29 and I thought it was stupid when I was in high school.
This could have something to do with the fact that I live in a fairly rural area and "car clubs" are all over. I can't go through the fucking Wendy's drive-through on a Friday night without being ogled and hooted at by a bunch of seventeen-year-old asshats and their sorry-ass, mama's boy forty-year-old counterparts.
I remember when my sister brought one of those inbred fucktards home to meet my parents in a truck that could not have been four inches off the ground. My dad said "Boy, I hate to tell you this, but if you hit a possum in that thing it'll be totalled."

Question..?
Do the rims have those spinning sections?


I bet that car goes BOOOOOOOM BOOOOOOM like half the crappy ones here in Baton Rouge.....

Yes, I've noticed that.

There's nothing wrong with having cars as a hobby. It goes right along with stamp collecting and CPU modding. Stamps and CPUs are things that have a specific purpose but some people choose to get more out of them than they were originally intended. I figure it's their money, let 'em spend it...it keeps the economy going. Although there are better things they could spend the money on; example being a none-too-bright uncle of mine who has been evicted twice in the past 3 years for being way too late with rent, but has a sports car that he paid around the low $40Ks for with a $1000 stereo system, new $800 paintjob (as of last week), switches/dials/gadgets/displays all through the "cockpit", chromed engine, exhaust pipe big enough to fit a Corgi into and yes..those spinny rims. He's holed up with my grandmother at the moment, convinced the apartment rental offices cheated him somehow. My family's just glad he's still single, so his shenannigans only affect him and not a wife and kid(s) too. Even in all that, my uncle's not a stupid person. His job won't allow that. He's just really bad at spending money on what is necessary for month-to-month survival BEFORE spending it on toys.

Gold.

Properly noted are examples of misplaced intelligence. For example, the hood ornament once had purpose. It enabled the driver to open and refill a hot radiator. No longer required. So why is it still there to gore pedestrians? For the same reasons that some brag about the size of their penis?

What is the rear spoiler for? It does nothing because cars just dont go fast enough. But the mentally challenged among us think it is 'cool' to spend $400 just to have a chunk of plastic that obstructs rear view visibility.

Why mufflers that make a car sound like a low performance vehicle (ie Harley)? Again many fail to first learn facts. More noise means the engine now has less power to wheels. Lower gas mileage. And yet these fools actually 'feel' it creates more power. Why? They 'feel' it has more power because they feel the noise. Missionaries for the church of mental inferiority. They hear more noise. Therefore the car must be more powerful. One can only pity those financially poor perverts who have yet to learn how to think for themselves.

The same can be said of chrome, V-8 engines, SUVs that sit so high as to increase road fatalities by 11% (HumVees are not designed that way because HumVees are for the intelligent off road drivers), windshield wipers that use two blades per arm, and neon undercarriage lighting. Somehow style to no benefit is more important no matter what the cost.

I see some CA entrepenuer laughing all the way to the bank about making his first million on fools who spend everything on wide tires and chrome plated rims.

Yes it is rather interesting to see a monster truck - little body atop tires that are larger than the truck. Impressionistic art is also interesting when done right. However that is only for looks and shows. Why waste so much money on basic transportation when it does nothing but say, "I have no values?"

Well there are people who have no brain and no values. Just like the girl with a pierced face. It makes the "public" interesting and individualistic much like circus freak shows. I don't condemn them for trying something different - for learning by making mistakes. Its called fun - nothing more. As long as they realize that all fun - ie casino gambling - is about throwing money away just for fun. As long as it is fun and as long as they do have the disposable income to pay for that fun; not at the expense of a 1 year old child.

Spinning wheels = Rolling advertisement for crack salesman.

Hey, tw, that's a good post.

Well i guess someone has to stand up for these people and i guess itll be me. I love everything about cars. Especially driving a stick shift. It's like having your own personal roller coaster really. These people, along w/ myself, enjoy customizing and messin w/ their cars because thats what they love do, its their hooby, their lifestyle. And driving is fun! Ya'll sound like those people who complain about boring sex. Its just somthing you do to get it overwith and done. You have to make it fun by changin it up and MAKING it fun.

Now granted, I think some of this stuff is pure crap like the spoilers for front wheel drive cars and resonators for lil 4 bangers that only put out 120 hp, and POS's that have rims that are worth more than the car, blah blah blah. But its all part of the culture of car customization and if you don't respect it, then you have no right to criticize it. Period.

Personally, I own a '03 Civic stick and i love driving that thing. And ( i know ill never hear the end of this) I have a blue neon underbody kit on it (the car is silver w/ a black nose bra). SO WHAT? Does that make me less of a person, an underling compared to everyone else who just drives their car and gets it over with? No it doesn't. It just makes me a person who enjoys making his car look a bit different and fun looking than all the rest of the cars out there. Its my hobby, my passion, and I don't appreciatte unwarranted, uninformed attacks on it.

Let my flaming begin.. bring it on.

I used to go out with this guy who had this super-fast, late '90s Corvette. I think Corvettes are hideous to start with, but this guy had all the extras, and had literally spent like $50K making that car faster...and faster...and faster. It was never good enough, and he was always yelling at me for slamming the door too hard when I got in (I actually think the car was his girlfriend, not me). Well one day he started the thing up and the engine basically just exploded--he'd fucked with that car just a liiiittle too much. I thought it was very funny, but he failed to see the humor in the situation. We weren't together much longer after that.

garnet---:lol: !

poor guy! :lol:

I agree with most of your post but that point is not necessarily true. Factory exhaust systems are designed with many compromises. Maximum performance requires low (but some) backpressure and preventing the exhaust pulses from the individual cylinders from interfering with each other. I could expound until everyone falls asleep, but that’s not nice. :zzz:

The funny thing about the Harleys is that straight pipes (no mufflers) will reduce horsepower about 12%.

Back on thread, most cops will determine if you actually came to a full stop, at a stop sign, by watching the front wheel. Spinning wheels may get you a ticket.

Do you know what brand of rims they are? Because - and God as my witness, I wish I was making this up - you can pick up spinners at Wal-Mart. I have a friend that works at one Upstate, and he broke the news to me.

It still undoubtedly looks stupid as hell, but chances are he didn't exactly spend that much coin on them. In fact, going by the Twomey Corollary, it may end up working in his favor. Of course, I'd have to see the car before I made a ruling.

I think what your frined sells are spinner HUBCAPS chewie. I've seen those at Walmart. Spinner RIMS are extremely expensive if you get the quality ones.

Am I a circus freak who throws away money on somthing i love instead of some obscure 1 year old child that I have idea where you got from? Is having a hobby a mistake? Do I have no values because i love tinkering w/ my car and driving in a fun manner? I think you're being the ignorant one here bud. Maybe you should um, not talk about cars anymore because apparently you don't have any respect for this culture. It's no different than people who customize their computers, customize thier HOUSE, or their f'ing wardrobe for that matter. I think you just thought you found an easy target to pick on and you took advantage of it. (insert old man voice) Those dumbass street racers who got no repsect, blah blah blah.

Think what you want pal. Meanwhile, i'll keep "throwing my money away" on somthing that makes me happy.

Bullitt, while I personally find cars to be the most boring thing on the planet, I can understand the desire to make a car look different and fun. Heck, I paint the inside of my house funny colors too. The aesthetic things bother me less than the mechanical things--spending an obscene amount of money to get an extra 10 horsepower, for example. But the most repulsive thing about it to me is the idea of spending so much money on a hobby when you clearly need that money for other things, like rent and food and retirement savings. And that would bother me about any over-indulged hobby; it just seems the "car culture" is a lot more susceptible to it.

Indeed it is Clod because alot of people in the car culture (at the epxense of sounding somewhat racist) are young, black men (and some white guys/other minorities; the street folk) who care more about their image than their overall well-being. But grouping these people in w/ other people who just love tinkering w/ their cars into a category of people who throw their money away and are stupid/ignorant/have no values is just wrong, and THAT'S where i take offense.

Well, the car's been a piece of crap for at least six months, so I don't know if he's working on it or not.


Jane Says: This is one of my pet peeves. I hate, hate, HATE car people and their stupid crappy rims, whether they're on a $500 car or a $50,000 car. I hate low riders. I hate big trucks with big tires. I hate rice burners. I hate car clubs. I hate stereo competitions. I hate it all. To me a car is simply transportation. I cannot understand all the bullshit that goes along with the "car culture". I don't think it's because I'm getting older, either. I'm 29 and I thought it was stupid when I was in high school.
This could have something to do with the fact that I live in a fairly rural area and "car clubs" are all over. I can't go through the fucking Wendy's drive-through on a Friday night without being ogled and hooted at by a bunch of seventeen-year-old asshats and their sorry-ass, mama's boy forty-year-old counterparts.
I remember when my sister brought one of those inbred fucktards home to meet my parents in a truck that could not have been four inches off the ground. My dad said "Boy, I hate to tell you this, but if you hit a possum in that thing it'll be totalled."


I agree. To me, a car is transportation. All I'm worried about is whether or not it runs and is safe. When I see those spinning rims (yes, these are the ones that spin independently of the tires), all I think is, "y'know, I could've paid my rent for two months for what he paid for those." Spending that kind of money on a toy is just, I don't know, ANNOYING.


TW: Properly noted are examples of misplaced intelligence. For example, the hood ornament once had purpose. It enabled the driver to open and refill a hot radiator. No longer required. So why is it still there to gore pedestrians? For the same reasons that some brag about the size of their penis?

What is the rear spoiler for? It does nothing because cars just dont go fast enough. But the mentally challenged among us think it is 'cool' to spend $400 just to have a chunk of plastic that obstructs rear view visibility.

Why mufflers that make a car sound like a low performance vehicle (ie Harley)? Again many fail to first learn facts. More noise means the engine now has less power to wheels. Lower gas mileage. And yet these fools actually 'feel' it creates more power. Why? They 'feel' it has more power because they feel the noise. Missionaries for the church of mental inferiority. They hear more noise. Therefore the car must be more powerful. One can only pity those financially poor perverts who have yet to learn how to think for themselves.

The same can be said of chrome, V-8 engines, SUVs that sit so high as to increase road fatalities by 11% (HumVees are not designed that way because HumVees are for the intelligent off road drivers), windshield wipers that use two blades per arm, and neon undercarriage lighting. Somehow style to no benefit is more important no matter what the cost.

I see some CA entrepenuer laughing all the way to the bank about making his first million on fools who spend everything on wide tires and chrome plated rims.

Yes it is rather interesting to see a monster truck - little body atop tires that are larger than the truck. Impressionistic art is also interesting when done right. However that is only for looks and shows. Why waste so much money on basic transportation when it does nothing but say, "I have no values?"


Spoilers, I agree, are a dumb waste of money. The loud mufflers are just annoying, and the monster trucks just look stupid to me. Those loud-ass stereos are the pinnacle of "shoot me, because I'm too annoying to live" car things. I absolutely HATE those things. There is absolutely no reason to rattle cars a mile ahead of you. It just makes people hate you and talk about how stupid you are. A good stereo is one thing--but there's no need to aggravate everyone else within a two-mile radius.

A cop friend of mine once gave a guy a ticket for a too-loud stereo. He was sitting in waffle house having coffee, and the guy drove up--every window in the place was vibrating. The guy came in, stared pointedly at my friend, sat down, ate, paid his ticket. When he went to leave, he got in his car, and, pointedly looking at the cop again, cranked the stereo up all the way. My friend went out there and promptly wrote him a ticket for violating the noise ordinance. So this guy gets an attitude, saying, and I quote, "you just doin' this because you don't like a black guy having a good stereo." My friend said, "if you have enough money to buy that stereo, you've got enough money to pay this ticket." End of story. He was going to give him a pass, but the guy did it intentionally, staring at the cop as if daring him to do something about it.

Well, he did, and I applaud him.

Sidhe

If someone's hobby is their car, that's fine. Whatever floats your boat. I don't get it, but that's just me. I actually get more annoyed by people driving these gigantic SUVs and trucks who have no legitimate reason for needing a vehicle that big. If you've got eight kids or you need it for work, that's fine. It really cracks me up when I see one of these giant 4WD vehicles crawling over speed bumps in grocery store parking lots. These vehicles are designed to go off road, yet the people who own them will never ever use them for that purpose.

Whoa Nellie! What the hell is that about? Jealousy of his money? Criticism of his choices? Censorship of his budget?
In spite of what Bush and Ridge are doing this is still a free country, and I'll defend to the first band-aid, his right to buy toys with his money. :shotgun:

Well, it's technically incorrect on a few points. But at least it's fairly short.

Ah, I thought the same.

I never got the whole ricing cars thing, they're still mostly shitty cars, just shitty cars with lots of expensive useless plastic. Saw some kind of bastardised toyota the other day with a huge Type-R sticker on it, talk about self parody.

Your right Jag, in most of them are fakers. There are some serious ricers, however, that are putting out 5 or 6 hundred hp. :eek: I've watched them drag race and they are astounding.

Ok, >90% of the people with these spinners on their car, in my area, are black. Tangipahoa parish is so poor that we get federal money to develop our economy. Tangipahoa parish is 28.4% (in 2000) black. Parish per capita income is $14,651.

The cheapest wheels on the first page that I clicked on would pay my rent for a year.

Now, draw from that what you will, but until you've driven around my area you, or one like it, you don't understand the problem.

As a side note, a paper that I am developing for my criminal justice class is titled:

Spinners: probable cause?

i was in san bernadino last year when the guy got capped because someone wanted to steal his car but he wouldn't get out because he had just gotten spinners.

And they said Darwin was wrong...

All I can remember is working with a guy named Jeff, and sitting out on the restaurant's patio after the shift ends. As we're sitting there, two genuine, pedigreed, licensed assholes pull up in souped-up japanese cars with all the goofy decals and weird rims and such on them. They both pull up to the intersection, start revving the engine at each other, Jeff turns to me, gestures to them, and just says "Cockfight."

Won't hear it from me. I personally enjoy oogling at the car culture...on occasion, I'll watch the DJ Flex show on the man channel..um, I mean SpikeTV. And Syc and I was fascinated with "Pimp My Ride" series on MTV (http://www.mtv.com/onair/pimp_my_ride/). Love it! It made me appreciate the art of detail even more than before...all the work that goes into it and the things they came up with to put in the cars! Too wild! I think there is something sexy about a guy that works on his car. Hell, at least he's being productive *shrugs*.

So what did you think of the trend of the "car" movies like The Fast and The Furious? I thought it was cool. A lot of creativity went into making those cars look so fine. :thumbsup:

Oh i understand the problem quite well Troubleshooter. The problem of people spending their money on somthing that won't improve their lives one bit at the expense of other, more important necessities of basica life like health insurance, proper nuitrition, etc. My point is, these people should NOT be grouped in with people who HAVE the money to take care of their basic needs first, then customize thier cars second. One is plain idiotic, and the other is just expressing themselves through an outlet that you don't appreciate apparantly.

I think pimp my ride is a pretty good show in the fact that these kids are usually not finacially endowed enough to own anything other than a POS and are gettin $30,000 worth of customization (not including labor) on their cars. What seems sketchy is that fact that you neevr see them do any real engine/tranny/guts of the car work. And if thats the case that they don't, then these kids are gettin screwed over because they still have a POS, but with a shiny new wrepper on the outside.

Fast and the Furious. All i can say is wow. What complete sh*t lol. Its completely unrealistic and fake. I think the cars look sweet, especially the one Vin Diesel sadly wrecks at the end (forget what it was.. Charger? Somthin classic).
Anywho, I've heard some great street racing stories from my Uncle Jack Dolan in San Diego. He's been on the racing scene for as long as he could reach the pedals. Not illegal street racing but salt flat stuff. Time trials and the like. And now he's part of a program to get street racers off the street and into these certified drag strips where its legal and MUCH safer. He tells me stories of Marine helicopter pilots who need low level night time flying practice so what do they do? The San Diego cops get in touch w/ them and the Marines in their Black Hawks. Bust up street racing rallies. Some of these kids literally sh*t themselves when they see that massive bird chasin em :worried: . Cause they got no chance in hell of outrunnin from it or hiding from it. I think its hilarious. These kids who have no respect for the law and the safety of others gettin right in the ass, where im sure they like it too. :doit:

Wow im a bit on the.. offensive side today.. oops.

If the exhaust pulses interfere with each other, then you have MORE noise and LESS engine horsepower. Again, more noise means less performance.

For those who want to throw a grenade into the mix - yes an Indy car has better performance and makes more noise. But which Indy cars have higher performance? The ones that make less noise. All else being equivalent - less noise means a better car, more horsepower, less pollution, longer vehicle life, etc. But you cannot tell that to the fools who just know more noise means a 'cool' car. So just laugh at them. They don't even remember principles taught in junior high school science.

Posting is a car customizer. For example, five years before it was standard in Detriot, I built and installed an electronic ignition in a Ford 6 banger. Did I improve the car? No. Experimented numerous times and failed to improve performance. But learned significantly from the experience. Other problems with late 1960 and early 1970 cars that I would learn of later due to that experience. Knowledge possible because I gained much from customizing.

A difference. I customized with the intent of trying to accomplish something productive. One question that got answered - why could a teenager do what Detroit could not?

Others customization that apply to that question. Intermittent windshield wipers (that I never successfully integrated to the 'beat' of music). Burglar alarm (attempted multiple designs - some succeeded whereas others did not). Investigated but failed to make an anti-lock brake system (getting reliable valves became difficult). Played with various adjustments to the steering system (and will never go back to any car with that obsolete 'even in 1960' worm gear system such as in every Camaro). Discovered why drum brakes should never be on the front wheels of any vehicle. A system to measure instantaneous fuel economy.

So you tell me what the difference is between this car customizer verses a joker who pays $400+ for a rear spoiler or big bucks for headlights that look bluish but provide less light. A most stupid modification are those who spend a hundred to replace orange rear turn signal assmblies with inferiour red rear turn signals only because the light assembly is pretty -highlighted by aluminum foil. A major difference exists between a true car hobbyist verses a customizer with too much money and no fundamental knowledge.

In the meantime, no one was available to teach me any of this. I had to find and obtain information - in the 1960s when information was harder to locate. Again, is there a difference between this customizer verses one who spends $1000+ on wheel rims? You betcha. Big difference. So do I have the right to be critical? I am simultaneously amused and melancholy at what I see. Its an absolute shame to see so much money and labor spent with no intent for improvement and no real respect even for simple science.

For the same reason, anything with an automatic transmission becomes so much more difficult to drive. So again, I am so amused at those who fear to learn even simple things - and therefore insist they cannot drive a stick.

No. :)

I've found it interesting in this thread to find out that apparently most guys who do this are black. Where I live it's almost exclusively a bunch of silly white kids. One of the last new hires in my training class at my old office was a 22-year-old guy with a red late-model Honda civic. He and his friends (three of whom owned cars IDENTICAL to his except color, and the other an old CRX) actually took the cars to the lake and took pictures of them at the dam. In different groupings and "poses". Pointing them in different directions, getting different sun-glares. He told me that they all wash their cars two times, every day, and meet up to do so. He told me he'd spent over $2000 in the last six months adding things to the car, and the CRX guy had spent over $4K. When did they stop making the CRX? Ten or twelve years ago?
This guy lived at home with his elderly parents (he was the youngest of many children). I know how much he was making - the princely sum of $9.03 an hour. He paid no bills, he just worked on that car. Before he got that job he'd been making even less, and yet coughed up $2000 in six months (over $300/mo.!) to play with his car.
If I've come off as a racist here, apologies. Here the majority of the people who are into this crap are white kids. Further, It's not my business what people spend their money on. But when I see people spending ridiculous amounts of money on their vehicles and not having $5 to buy lunch at work, I think their priorities are fucked up.

No worries about the racism, Jane...it all depends on where you are. Currently around where I live, the ones who do that are primarily black with a couple of hispanic guys in the group. However, 8 miles away where I used to work, the ones who drove pimped out cars and clustered them in the parking lot during lunch hour were all asian, mostly Korean. I haven't run across any primarily white groups although I have seen white guys with the other groups I mentioned.

Yes.

Yes, but the CRX was a damn cool ride. Back before hybrids, the 1988-91 Honda CRX HF got 49 MPG in city, 52 MPG highway.

Why we gotta spend megabucks for efficient vehicles today, when apparently they knew how to do it 14 years ago?

- Pie, thinking about buying an Acura TSX...

Explain how interfering impulses which create more backpressure and slow the exhaust, will make it louder. And don't tell me it's because Bush lied. :eyebrow:

Most resonators actually have a little metal piece that buzzes creating the more "throaghty" sound (i butchered that word i know). I do remember hearing in the summit racing catalog about somthin to do w/ increased back pressure ot improve exhaust flow or somthin along those lines. Dunno what it would do for the noise however. (I'm not very enlightened in the field of automotive technology but im gettin there)

Periods of minimal exhaust flow followed by a sudden blast out as the exhaust gases of two cylinders exit at the same time. Listen to a vehicle with "tuned headers" - a 1950s technology among car enthusiasts. Tuning results in a sort of smooth buzz. Smooth, even, and quieter. Then listen to an engine without same. It sounds like one loud cylinder among the many farts loudly. Increased noise.

I'd never even heard of the spinner things before now. What an utterly bizarre thing to want on a car! To see some really badly modified cars, try www.stupidnorthernmonkey.co.uk

Yes, tuned headers are designed to keep the exhaust pulses from the indvidual cylinders in an orderly progressive flow. Open headers will produce maximum sound levels and maximum hp. The headers themselves will produce the minimum backpressure the engine needs to run at peak power.

But headers by themselves are not legal because of the noise levels and exhaust must be routed away from the occupants for safety. It's the baffling after the headers, in the exhaust system that control the sound level. If interfering pulses occur they increase the backpressure and reduce flow and power but won't effect or affect the sound level as that's a function of the baffling. The baffling may be designed to give a steady flow or a pulsating flow but it's impossible to design the optimum flow for all operating conditions. It's always a compromise.

Even at a sedate idle of 600 rpm, on a V-8 engine that's 2400 pulses per minute (40 per second) and at a honking 6500 rpm it's 26,000 per minute (433 per second). You're not going to hear an individual cylinder pulse or even paired cylinder pulses. What you hear is the pulses of the exhaust system baffling. If it's uneven it's because the design of the baffling is not suited to the flow of that engine at that rpm.

Before you criticize someone for adding anything to personalize their car, tell me why you have curtains when an old sheet hung over the window does the job? Better yet, why have curtains AND blinds or shades? :)

Yes, why wear a colorful shirt when any simple white T-shirt will cover you with utility.

Not if you're a chick and it's raining, it won't. :D

Good points. Er, I mean point, sorry. :D

Maybe so, but it'll cover you with attention,....and warmth. ;)