Michael Jackson.. sigh!
 

does anyone else think it was convenient of MJ to have flu-like symptoms (not flu) and have to be RUSHED to hospital just before court??? :headshake

no, it is pretty much par for the course. you've gotta figure that he is having little boy withdrawals.

Edit: Hey UT - is there anyway to track how many different threads MJ has sparked in the Cellar's illustrious past?

I know that I've had the "flu-like symptoms" a bunch of times in my life, and I've never needed to be rushed to the hospital. Who goes to the ER when they have the flu, anyway? Suspicious, but then he's a suspicious kind of guy....

no kidding! :D

Hey, if your nose would fly off if you sneezed, you'd go to the hospital for flu too!

:lol:

Ah, the withdrawal method. Probably not the best way to avoid a trip to the hospital.

He probably gets the flu as often as kindergarten teachers. :eyebrow:
If you ran a hospital and somebody filthy rich came in with the flu, wouldn't you keep them?

I'm sure that this is just a first of what will be a long line of delay tactics used by the MJ 'team', all designed to confuse and/or distort the real issues of why this trial is going on.

Sad, but I see this one going the way of the OJ trial.

are you suggesting that MJ is going to begin a lifelong quest looking for the "real molesters" on every golf course in the world?

Now that was hilarious! I laughed out loud - I hope no-one heard me! :lol:

Did anyone else see Leno on Tuesday night? The media had reported Tuesday that a long list of celebrities - including Leno - were to be called as witnesses for the Jackson defense. Leno, either clueless about why, or a smart cookie, then delivered a sting of jokes sure to get him disallowed as a hostile or non-credible witness.

It was freaking hysterical, some of the funniest Leno stuff I've ever seen. Borderline offensive, in fact. It was great.

There is a picture circulating of Michael Jackson - the new Mr Potato head - selecting from a drawer the nose, eyes, etc he will wear in court.

Its rather sad. Had he simply first admitted to a problem and sought treatment, then the whole legal problem would have gone away.

I doubt that. If he'd admitted pedophilia and sought treatment, some parents of children he'd been alone with would have started the process even earlier, whether he'd acted on it or not. Pedophilia isn't like drugs in that way.

Is it true he still pays selfish parents to get their kids to go to Neverland Ranch?

What a coincidence, I just got the picture in an email tonight!

Just because he sought treatment does not necessarily mean it becomes public knowledge. But then the number of potential suitors would have been significantly reduced had he obtained treatment early on. Currently, if he does seek treatment - and he will have to anyway - then the whole world will surely know. No plaintiff will have to prove that point making him vunerable in civil court. Having not dealt with the problem, he is now in big time trouble. If the settlement for only one kid was only estminated at $25million - times how many kids all of whom now will be able to easily prove that they too were molested. I cannot think how this could be any worse for Jackson - because of denial for too long.

I am told that this is also having adverse affects on the rest of his family. So yes, how much worse could it get only because they all remained in denial for so long.

BTW, I do expect bankruptcy to be part of Jackson's future. His expenses were reported to be $1million per month. This accusation and trial will not cause any record sales increases nor permit a new album release. So where does that income come from? I see nothing but BAD (and not the album) for Jackson from this trial; even if they don't declare him guilty.

why would he go to the emergency room AT ALL? he's got a bazillion bucks, and germophobia if I recall correctly. The ER would be the LAST place he'd go. I'd think he'd have it brought to HIM. Or at least a team of overpaid Doctors. It's funny when lawyers think they're being clever when they lie. Like everyone is so stupid that we won't see through the ploy. puh leez.

Oh my goodness that pic is scary looking! lol! :D

Verdict is in less than 30 minutes...........

And there it is. Not guilty.

Does anyone else find that....I dunno....jarring?

what do you expect? it is CA, after all. their is some precedence for having incompetent prosecution. OJ ring a bell?

What I would find jarring would be if anyone left their boys with this freak ever again.

I didn't follow this trial at all, so I don't know if the evidence was there or not for a conviction. I don't know if this is the right verdict or not, but in my gut, I think he is a pedophile.

It doesnt matter if he did or didn't do it, the prosecutors planted a reasonable doubt.

The American Justice System at work.

like i said, the bastards don't even know what their job is. ;)

you might have meant the defense attorney. i might also be an annoying smartass.

All I know about the case is what was mentioned on the Don and Mike radio show, but I got the impression that the prosecution was fairly incompetent and also had several witnesses flip sides when they got on the stand.

you know what I meant, and you are a smartass. but i'll still respect you in the morning.

that is the same thing i heard. i thinkthat was pretty predictable. i kind of doubt that MJ is the only high $$ pedophile and nobody really wants that can of worms opened. there were too many somewhat famous connections in this case for anyone's comfort and i am willing to bet there were some stipends promised for cooperation.

but - if the prosecution can't get their crap straight then MJ deserves to get off

he also deserves to be drawn and quartered, but that is a different story.

This just affirms why I think everything about and everyone in California is stupid and why I will never, ever, ever set foot in that state.

(Cellarites from California - don't feel too picked on by me, I generally think everyone is stupid - myself included.)

The prosecution picked *terrible* witnesses, and either didn't do their homework, or had people flipped behind the scenes.

But is MJ a pedophile? Yeah, I think he is.

it is just the same as the OJ trial. do i think he did some slicing? yup. do i think the prosecution provided an airtight case worthy of conviction? nope. does MJ diddle little boys? yup. has that been sufficiently proven? nope.

Emailed Mike about the verdict (he doesn't have web access from his job) and received the following, which made me gag in my throat a little. :lol:

That's the most disturbing visual I've had in ages.

Am I the only one who heard the various testimonies (as reported in the news) and actually thought, "Wow, maybe he IS innocent?" Maybe the prosecution was incompetent... but if their main witness has sued three or four other people in demonstrably false and/or frivolous lawsuits, perhaps they should have waited? But they HAVE been waiting for the last ten years, and still couldn't come up with anything better.

Is he gay? Yes.
Is he a little freaky? Yes.
Does he molest little boys? I'm really not so sure anymore.

Bad prosecutors in CA can probably be attributed to the fact that you do not need to go to law school to be a licensed attorney in California. You just have to pass the bar. If I'm wrong, correct me, but that's what I was told in law school.

And that, ladies and gentleman, is reasonable doubt, which is why he got off.

The one thing that sticks in my craw is the fact that the kid's mom has tried this multiple times with various companies and celebrities - just kinda made me question the validiy of her/her son's claims - not that i don't think MJ i a complete Wacko....I heard he and OJ and Robert Blake are having dinner tonight to figure out who really did it.

oh, and PS - we're not all idiots. we just play them on TV. :D

I have tried to not follow this, but must admit that I enjoyed Triumph's interviews with MJ supporters.

Oy!

I leave my keyboard for 28 stinkin minutes and youse guys blaze through another 20 posts. Asleep at the switch am I.[/yoda]

I agree with Clodfobble in that I don't know that he necessarily is guilty. He didn't have much of a childhood, was abused as a child, and seems to have some deep psychological issues (as do more of us than would like to admit or think about). It seems absolutely foolish of him to ever put himself in a position that one could see from 10 miles a way ( or several thousand in my case) would create problems. He was in a position that was going to require defending no matter which way you look at it. Healing psychological wounds by trying to reinvent your childhood is going to raise eyebrows no matter how you look at it not to mention the confusion it might cause for children you choose for playmates (in the complete platonic sense of the word). It's hard to look at the history of his accuser's family and see any consistency from the evidence they presented. Who knows, without stepping into Jacko's world (no thanks), I'll never be sure whether he's a rich twisted pervert, or a very lost, pained man trapped in a childhood that never existed.

California. The land of fruits and nuts. Take your own read on that from someone who hauled produce from CA.

One of his better (and more dangerous) stunts. :thumb:

I’ve a theory. Riddlerlife touched on it some, the man has led a screwed up life. I think he was happiest with the least pressure when he was 12 or 13 and wants to pretend he is again, whenever possible.
Unfortunately his little playmates, whatever their motives, have a tough time imagining MJ as being young again. When he starts doing the shit that boys that age do, they can’t get into it. Somehow a circle jerk with a middle aged man doesn’t seem right. :headshake

:lol: :biglaugha :lol2: :thankyou: very well said!!!

Well, I was able to console a coworker. I told him for every guilty man who is found innocent in California, two innocent men are found guilty in Texas, so we are still a law-and-order country.

I used to think you were all serious and stuff, richlevy. But I can see now that you're just really really funny. :lol:

Which doesn't make his statement untrue...

EXactly my point. Thank you.

Well,I'm not buying MJ's music anymore.
At least I've still got Cat Stevens. :dunce:

I will still enjoy his music. Ive never been a huge fan, and I think he is a stupid freak but i dont think he would intentionally hurt anybody or molest them.


I personally dont believe he is gay, or straight, or a child molester, or not a child molester - he doesnt strike me to be a sexual person at all.. i think he just likes the company of kids cuz he too is a kid in his mind, a kind if retardation if you will.

I know what you're saying and I understand why you could feel this way about Michael Jackson, but one thing always comes to mind when I read or hear that about him....."He wouldn't intentionally hurt anybody"....child molestors most often would never hurt a child because they love them.....and they do not view molesting them as hurting them, rather as loving them.

I just saw the Triumph Insult Comic Dog interview online.... OMG - absolutely hysterical!!!

I have teased my (now 18 year old) son for the last couple of years about kicking myself in the ass for not ever sending him to visit Neverland - "it would have just been for a few weeks......think of the money we could have now!"
I can't describe the dirty looks he gives me! I always say it in front of some of his friends.....(he knows I'm just teasing)

I never bought MJ's music. Oh, wait, I do have a copy of the single "Ben" sitting in a box downstairs, but that's only because it was about a rat.

A friend of mine, who prefers to remain anonymous wrote this. He gave me permission to post this for the enjoyment and amusement of others.

Now MJ says he's going to punish the naughty public for thinking nasty things about him by NOT ALLOWING BOYS TO SLEEP IN HIS BED ANYMORE! Wow. One brush with the legal system and he's ready to give up. Quitter.

That new year's resolution will vanish in a puff of smoke as soon as he drinks a Pepsi can full of merlot and pops a boner at the kids' underwear page of the JC Penney catalog.

It seems to be really hard to dispel the myth that MJ is some kind of faerie who lives outside the bounds of normal human convention. He's a 40-something year old man with a history of abuse allegations and a penchant for exceptionally weird behavior that is encouraged by being constantly surrounded by yes-men and (until recently) unlimited financial resources. He became famous for singing bubblegum pop while performing quite sexually explicit dance moves (grab your crotch and go "woo!" and see if anyone doesn't know who you're imitating).

I'm not sure why anyone thinks he's even remotely safe for their children to be around. They just take him at his word, and don't even observe the circus that's going on around the guy 24 hours a day.

I don't see that there's any dispute over the notion that Michael Jackson is a very, very disturbed individual.

Now, what's this shit about him possibly being added to the lineup at Live 8 Philadelphia? One of the guys was talking about it at work. Please tell me this is no more than a horrible, horrible rumor.

MJ IS EXTREMELY DISTURBED
just look at him. We all know he was guilty of at least SOME of the charges.
I'll take the fifth on my total opinion due to my fear of being "decellarized".
When he was young, he was good.
When he got older, he was famous.
Now, he ain't worth a shit.

OK, just to prove that ALL of California is not simply a gene pool incapable of convicting even the most blatant of malefactors, I present for your education beautiful Fresno in the Central Valley. A Republican stronghold. Kids can't read but teaching assistants share pot with the class. Every nationality and religion under the sun. Unregulated and uncontrolled growth with untimed traffic lights. But nevertheless we managed to convict and sentence to death both Carey Stayner and Scott Peterson. Well OK, I admit we had to shop out the actual trials due to the proverbial "unfair local bias" against the accused, but the job got done. And this week we managed to convict (and I hope sentence to the ultimate punishment) one of the most bizarre pedophiles ever seen, somebody who one-ups MJ on every count: Marcus Wesson. MJ is a wimpy amateur compared to this guy. They really know how to do their sin in the Central Valley. Half the registered voters in the county had to be called up for jury duty in order to winnow out those fine people who finally sat for the trial, and they actually succeeded in doing it :thumb:

So if you think the MJ situation was over the top, read this:

http://www.fresnobee.com/special/200...11549130c.html and http://www.fresnobee.com/special/200...11530722c.html

"Convicted mass murderer Marcus Wesson is a master manipulator who ordered the execution of nine of his children and deserves the death penalty, prosecutor Lisa Gamoian told a Fresno County Superior Court jury this morning.....

Wesson, 58, was convicted last week of nine counts of murder in the slayings of his nine children inside the family's central Fresno home on March 12, 2004. He also was convicted of 14 counts of rape, oral copulation and sexual abuse of a minor involving three of his daughters and four of his nieces.... Calling himself Jesus, Wesson isolated his family from the outside world - home schooling them and forcing them to life in a tent in the Santa Cruz mountains and on a boat moored in Tomales Bay in northern California, Gamoian said.

Wesson exploited his daughters and nieces, forcing them to have sex with him and have his babies, as well ordering them to have sex with each other, Gamoian said.

Wesson also preached a murder-suicide pact until each family member agreed, Gamoian said, and kept his children in terror with doomsday prediction about the second coming of Christ, or the end of the world....

Testimony revealed that Marcus Wesson was the father of the slain children. The mothers included his wife, Elizabeth, daughters Kiani and Sebhrenah, and nieces Rosa and Sofina Solorio and Ruby Ortiz.

The slayings were sparked when Sofina Solorio and Ortiz tried to reclaim their children from Marcus Wesson, testimony in the trial revealed...."


So the moral is that we may not be able to get roads, public facilities, or a meaningful lifestyle going but we definitely have our priorities straight when it comes to convicting and sentencing here in Fresno. Believe it, no lawyer in LA is every going to ask for a change of venue to our part of the land of fruits and nuts ;)

...Or maybe instead it's just that we don't have enough money and fame around here to properly shock and awe a jury into surrender...