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seakdivers 01-22-2006 11:55 PM

Are you a good person or a bad person?
 
In your opinion, which are you? Good or Bad?
How do you think the people that "know" you would vote?

smoothmoniker 01-23-2006 12:06 AM

I'm good.

The people I know would say that I'm good.

Sun_Sparkz 01-23-2006 12:18 AM

I am good, i think everyone who knows me would say so too.. but everyone who REALLY knows me might hover over the "bad person" option before selecting the good after all.

marichiko 01-23-2006 01:10 AM

I muddle through as best I can. :angel:

Undertoad 01-23-2006 01:24 AM

I am chaotic good although sometimes chaotic neutral.

People who judge me generally find me lacking. Lacking what, they never say.

Griff 01-23-2006 05:56 AM

good and good

capnhowdy 01-23-2006 06:39 AM

I'm good. As far as the consensus view I guess it depends on who you ask.

fargon 01-23-2006 06:55 AM

I think I'm good, but my Wife says I'm a bad boy and need a spanking.

Trilby 01-23-2006 07:31 AM

I am a bad person. even I know it.

NotAnAngel 01-23-2006 07:34 AM

Would depend who you ask. I think Im basically good........ but do have the tendency to enjoy the extremes of being very very good and very very bad...

mrnoodle 01-23-2006 09:26 AM

sinner saved by grace ;)



generally good, but occasionally bad -- same as everyone, really

wolf 01-23-2006 10:30 AM

Good, but balanced. Not Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm good, you know?

Raederle 01-23-2006 10:34 AM

I think I'm only very slightly more good than bad. I think the consensus opinion of me would be 'good', though I haven't done any polling. Which might be interesting...

Beestie 01-23-2006 12:29 PM

If someone is good at being bad, is that bad or good?

Elspode 01-23-2006 12:44 PM

Ever since I read A Clockwork Orange, I have had a hell of a hard time determining absolute good from absolute bad. Judging by most sociologically acceptable criteria, I'm good. Judging by my wife's value set, I'm severely lacking, although not actually evil.

It is all relative.

barefoot serpent 01-23-2006 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beestie
If someone is good at being bad, is that bad or good?

yes.


Me: slothful, avaricious, covetous, gluttonous, envious, wrathful... etc, etc.

Spexxvet 01-23-2006 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elspode
Ever since I read A Clockwork Orange, I have had a hell of a hard time determining absolute good from absolute bad. Judging by most sociologically acceptable criteria, I'm good. Judging by my wife's value set, I'm severely lacking, although not actually evil.

It is all relative.

Horrorshow post, droog.

Good and Good, if they care.

keryx 01-23-2006 06:00 PM

According to the on-line test "Are you evil?," I am. Most who have known me a long time would agree. First meeting me you would think I was good, or at worst, neutral. I describe myself as chaotic neutral with evil tendencies. I am usually benign and benevolent, just don't get me mad.

SteveDallas 01-23-2006 06:19 PM

I'm good to the extent that I don't do anything evil and I don't intentionally do things that will annoy or hurt others.

Some people probably think I'm bad because I don't always do things they want me to do.

capnhowdy 01-23-2006 07:04 PM

Quote:

Horrorshow post, droog.
WTF?

xoxoxoBruce 01-23-2006 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad
I am chaotic good although sometimes chaotic neutral.

People who judge me generally find me lacking. Lacking what, they never say.

Bags of gold. :lol:

See....I'm bad.

dov 01-23-2006 11:52 PM

If a man is in the forest, and his wife is not there, is he still bad/wrong?

Sundae 01-24-2006 02:58 AM

Bad, but kept in check by a good upbringing and a fear of authority. I pass as good in most circles.

footfootfoot 01-24-2006 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by capnhowdy
WTF?

It's slang from the book "a clockwork orange"

Spexxvet 01-24-2006 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by footfootfoot
It's slang from the book "a clockwork orange"

Bingo. Roughly, it means "good post, buddy".

capnhowdy 01-24-2006 05:40 PM

Ok. It's been 35 years. :o

keryx 01-24-2006 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dov
If a man is in the forest, and his wife is not there, is he still bad/wrong?

yes, of course! :lol:

itsjulie 01-24-2006 09:35 PM

I am very good, mixed in with a little bad that happens to slip out once and a while! :D :rar:

lumberjim 01-25-2006 01:55 AM

i rock

....that is all

maffick 01-25-2006 08:13 AM

I am better than you!
 
No, really, I am. :)

Radar 01-25-2006 09:28 AM

It depends on who you ask. I think everyone thinks they're a good person. I think Hitler thought he was a good person. I think the Bush supporters believe they are good people. I think Pat Robertson, Osama Bin Laden, Sam Alito, etc. believe they are good people.

I think I'm a good person, but even the best person makes mistakes. For instance, I slept with a married woman for 3 years and I knew her husband. I said, "Hey, I'm not cheating, she is" and tried to rationalize it, but I wouldn't want anyone to sleep with my wife so i was wrong.

I give to the poor, support several people financially, work hard, and try to make the world a better place for future generations by fighting against injustice where I can. I don't steal, rape, murder, or otherwise harm any non-consenting other, though I piss off quite a few.

In my book I'm a good person, but merely being an atheist makes me a bad person to some people.

footfootfoot 01-25-2006 11:29 AM

Last week SWMBO said that I lack a conscience. I wasn't the least offended by that. I am not particularly immoral, I just don't really care what others think of me, for the most part.

A few nights ago she added that I am criminal. Not a criminal. Just criminal.

Also not really offended by that either, how could I be if I lacked conscience?

Does that make me good or bad?

marichiko 01-25-2006 11:45 AM

Well, Radar's post actually got me to thinking (amazing on a number of levels, eh? :D ). Its true that just about everyone believes themselves to be a "good" person. I think the exception would be sociopaths, and they would consider the question irrelevent.

People with the best of intentions can do some pretty awful things through ignorance or denial or fear, and you don't have to be Hitler, either, to do them. When I look back on my life, I see some actions that were pretty misguided, although, at the time, I thought I was doing the right thing or at least was justified in my deeds.

If we label ourselves "good" or "bad" we are engaging in black and white thinking and indulging in a line of thought that can only contribute to an "us versus them" mentality. I'm "good" and they're "bad," so off to the ovens with THEM!

Human beings are complex critters and on a good day can be saints and on a bad day, the same person is one everyone would run from. Then you have to take the prevailing culture into consideration. Today, we would consider anyone who burned people at the stake "bad." 500 years ago, such acts were considered just and "good."

"Good" and "bad" are just not useful labels, all in all.

glatt 01-25-2006 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by footfootfoot
A few nights ago she added that I am criminal. Not a criminal. Just criminal.


Everyone is criminal.

For example, I jaywalk every day. I try hard not to risk my neck when doing it, or slow drivers down by getting in their way. I am a courteous jaywalker that way. But I certainly break the law frequently and intend to continue doing it.

I'm willing to bet everyone reading this does something like that too, whether they admit it or not.

wolf 01-25-2006 12:49 PM

I speed regularly, and in my home county, with impunity.

Professional courtesy.

Sundae 01-27-2006 05:47 AM

footfootfoot, I'm lucky that I do worry what people think about me. Too much actually, but it seems to keep my immorality in check. Although it's more a case of not having morals rather than being bad I suppose. I have a conscience but am able to box it off until it's quiet sometimes.

tw 01-27-2006 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radar
I think I'm a good person, but even the best person makes mistakes. For instance, I slept with a married woman for 3 years and I knew her husband. I said, "Hey, I'm not cheating, she is" and tried to rationalize it, but I wouldn't want anyone to sleep with my wife so i was wrong.

This could be an excellent example. Did you eventually get guilty about it? Or was that a revelation that occurred long after the affair was over?

Beestie 01-27-2006 07:09 AM

Everyone does bad things and everyone has a reason for doing bad things. I guess whether you are good or bad depends on how good your reason is.

This is a fascinating question. It just leads me to more questions.

If someone says they are good, is it because they really are good or because they always think bad collateral damage justifies the good end?

If someone never does anything bad but also chooses not to do good things when they could are they good or bad?

If someone does something bad to prevent someone else from doing something even badder is that good or bad?

If you do something and everyone thinks its good then go somewhere else and do the same thing and everyone thinks its bad what's the score - good 2, bad 0; a tie; or good 0, bad 2?

Seemed like a simple question at first....

xoxoxoBruce 01-27-2006 09:42 PM

OK Beestie, think on this from Der Spiegel
It's been a bitter cold winter in Europe.
Right wing groups are handing out hot soup to the homeless and needy. Good?
It's pork soup that Jews and Muslims can't eat. Bad?
They're doing this to support ethnic purity of Europe. Bad?
French police have made them stop giving soup to anyone. Good?
Sure gets cloudy when you take intent into it. ;)

dov 01-27-2006 10:47 PM

Fundamentally bad.

Crimson Ghost 01-27-2006 10:51 PM

I would have to call myself - Evil.

I was born 6 AM, June 6.

I was born with a "birth caul".

My parents claimed that I never cried as a baby.

As the priest was trying to baptize me, he had a massive stroke and died on the spot.
As I was told later, that was the first time they heard me laugh.

The folks wanted me to go to a Catholic school.
I was the only kid the Mother Superior called "a fucking cunt-rag".

A "job placement" test resulted in informing me that the 3 jobs I am best suited for are -
1) Mortuary Sciences, 2) Slaughterhouse Worker, or 3) Armed Forces.

I laugh at funerals.

I think horror films are great warm-ups for sex.

I giggle at car accidents.

After watching "The Passion of the Christ", I fucked my wife for an hour and a half.

Animals freak out when I get near them.

------------------------------------

But, on the other hand, I'm house-broken.

dov 01-27-2006 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce
It's pork soup that Jews and Muslims can't eat. Bad?

It is a bigger sin for an observant Jew to starve himself to death than to eat non-kosher food.

Since Islam follows the same dietary laws as the Jews, I would think this principle of life is the apex of their commandments as well.

However, if a Jew is being forced to bow before an idol, it is his responsibility to kill himself, if possible, so as not to do that act.

Happy Monkey 01-28-2006 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crimson Ghost
I would have to call myself - Evil.
...

Is your name Chuck Norris or Vin Diesel, by any chance?

marichiko 01-28-2006 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dov

However, if a Jew is being forced to bow before an idol, it is his responsibility to kill himself, if possible, so as not to do that act.

Hmmm... So do you think this requirement is a good thing? I can understand it being labeled a "bad" action if someone bows before something that is spiritually wrong for them of their own free will. But if someone has a gun pointed to their head? So someone points a gun to my head and requires me to bow before a statue of Satan and I do it, while inwardly saying, "In your dreams, Satan, and you and I both know it!" Then I escape and live to do nothing but good deed for the rest of my life and worship whatever is the true right Being to worship. Would Jewish doctine still label me as "bad"?

What if I had the gun pointed to my head and I bowed to the idol which resulted in the deaths of a million people? Would I be more or less bad than in the first instance?

What if by bowing with the gun pointed at my head, I could SAVE the lives of a million people? Would Jewish doctrine require me to refuse and save my soul, if not my life, at the expense of a million other lives?

PS How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

dov 01-28-2006 04:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marichiko
PS How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

Under your circumstances, I would not think twice. In many areas of my life, I am a hypocrite. I crave ideals and rarely live up to them. I have more than one higher power, and the God of Abraham is one of them, they are all interconnected anyways, there is only one ONE. I bow to the almighty buck daily, it is an idol. I look in the mirror and see the centre of the universe, it is an idol. I have loved many women, and needed a couple, they were idols. Madison avenue are pros at idol making and I buy into a few, more than a few.

If I was ever in a position, where it was perfectly clear that it is a formal idol, a power that completely contradicts all my ideals, which I adhere to, and I know without a doubt the God of Abraham is with me, and some creature was aware of this, and in spite of this, my relationship with God, it attempts to make me spit in the face of God, I have the faith, not the intellect, to know, taking the bullet is my only choice. It is impossible to justify or explain, it would be beyond reason. Jews have something called a Nashama, a Jewish Soul. I could meet a stranger, and in no way know his or her religion, if he or she was Jewish or not, our Nashamas dance if he or she were Jewish. There is a connection and we both know. Similarly under the conditions you presented, it would not be up to me, it would be my Nashamas

Your discourse is interesting. Got silly around saving my life saves a million, or causes the death of a million people. Far Fetched. I chose to put aside those examples in my reply to you. I don’t know what to call them, drug induced fairy tales? (No offence meant). Tell me how in the world the death of one man could be responsible for the lives or deaths of a million people. Maybe JFK, Bobby, Martine Luther King or Malcolm X. I would say hypothetically if these men lived, millions of lives would have been saved as the direct result of their living.

Technically, there are no exceptions to the responsibility of a Jew being forced to bow to an idol.

I am not speaking for other Jews, just myself.

Crimson Ghost 01-30-2006 01:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey
Is your name Chuck Norris or Vin Diesel, by any chance?

Nope.

Good guess, however.

djacq75 02-09-2006 07:43 PM

Here's the everlasting rub
Neither am I good nor bad
I'd give up my halo for a horn,
And the horn for the hat I once had.

Jethro Tull, A Passion Play

capnhowdy 02-09-2006 09:39 PM

Hmmmm... Tull....

Wasn't he that diver from the 70's?

xoxoxoBruce 02-10-2006 01:22 AM

Tull? Diver? No, that was Dio. ;)

wolf 02-10-2006 01:33 AM

I think that was that Van guy. Van Halen or somebody.

Crimson Ghost 02-10-2006 04:07 AM

You mean Van Hagar?
Or Sammy Halen?

capnhowdy 02-10-2006 07:52 AM

They prolly all were equipped with an aqualung. Unless one was so holy he didn't need it. ;)

djacq75 02-10-2006 02:52 PM

They were all holy muff divers.

Granola Goddess 02-10-2006 03:29 PM

:band: "Only The Good Die Young!"

Guess I'm on my way out....

Kozmique 02-19-2006 05:26 AM

People who don't know me think I'm good. People who know me somewhat think I'm bad. People who know me very well think I'm probably good. I think I am essentially good but confused and prone to bad behavior in certain situations.

lilMarduk 02-20-2006 02:01 PM

Bad. I'm a horrible person and I know it.

kgg 02-21-2006 06:33 PM

Both. Depends on the situation whether bad means "BAD" or a very sultry bad.

Stress Puppy 02-23-2006 03:27 PM

I fit my criteria for a good person. That is, I help my friends even if it means sacrificing something on my end. I do what I can to help everyone's life a little better.

I think those who know me very well would agree with me.

skysidhe 05-15-2006 10:34 PM

I am good but if I had the time and money to spend on being bad I might be bad on occassion if the temptation arose.

To some this maybe bad but self awareness is good. I know the bad things I want.

Ibby 05-16-2006 12:07 AM

I try to be good when it counts, but I'm an asshole most of the time. When it matters, I do my best to be good. When I can be a jerk and get away with it (as in, with my friends, mostly), I do it cause it's fun.


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