bin Laden prophesy
 

History as a predictor, then next week or within a few weeks later, an Al Qaeda attack should be attempted. This post only a reminder of what that bin Laden public statement warned. An attack was always attempted weeks after a bin Laden statement.

BTW, bin Laden is still alive. And thanks to George Jr, he still runs free.

Islamic fundamentalist extremism only has one idol. bin Laden. No other extremist figure inspires and recruits like bin Laden. This in part because, as public enemy number one, he still runs free. How can the US empower extremist terrorism? Keep letting bin Laden run free. The US is making no concerted attempt to find or capture bin Laden.

bin Laden need not plan or execute attacks. Others will do that. Every day he remains free and alive only inspires Islamic fundamentalist terrorism and suicide attackers.

Starting this next week, curiousity as to what will be attempted - and the spin that will result.

An attack where is the question. The 50 states may not be the target again in which case US citizens largely won't care.

If Bin Laden was captured it would be harder to justify the war. As it is now anytime he needs Bin Laden is there ever so handily to remind people they he wants Americans dead and if it's not convenient nothing is spoken of him. *sigh* To have a press with balls.

Prophesy?

bin Laden threatens to murder more innocent men, women and children and you call that a fucking prophesy?

Since I have never heard anyone refer to one of bin Laden's pissant threats as a prophesy, I will assume that prophesy is the word you chose.

Which leads me to ask why on earth you would dignify this mass murderer by calling him a prophet and why you would dignify his threats to murder even more civilians as "... prophesy."

sick'em Beestie !!!!!!

I agree ,guard aganst his ilk and their STUPIDITY but , ignore this asshats comments and run his ass to ground at the end of a .50 cal sniper rifle !!!

RIGHT!

capturing him would be like curing cancer. there's no money in it.

beestie,
tw posts for IMPACT. says he's all logic, but llloooooooooooves the drama.

Riiiight. His capture/death wouldn't inspire any terrorism. Killing the man would solve all of our problems. :rolleyes:

Wake me when something serious happens. I haven't been afraid of any threats that come out of that man or group of people for a long time, now. They're currently more likely to attack Denmark or France right now thanks to a bunch of fucking cartoons.

Mmmmm, yeah....we know that oh brilliant one. Shame Clinton isn't still in office, we'd have him then!

Asswipe.

One of them must be a lie. Why would he lie?

Touche'

He never posts for impact. He posts without any regard for silly human emotions because he posts to adults - not children. Beestie demonstrated thought based primarily in emotion. Somehow he sees concepts not found and never intended in that top most post and title.

Patriots are down hard logical. Emotion only something to be manipulated by a logical mind. bin Laden's prophesy, purpose, objective. legacy, triumph, etc. They all mean the same thing in that topmost post. The logical person does not care - for one minute - about a political spin assoicated with a choice of such words. The logical person asks things like, "Where or what would bin Laden do?"

But yes, every country needs cannon fodder. People who can be manipulated to think by first resorting to their emotions.

One would expect every post to reply to the purpose of that top most post. No. Emotional types immediately grasp something irrelevant - ignoring a logical point. Others read even more into it ... assuming it was done for impact. So now, everything I post has a hidden meaning? Not for one minute. If I don't specifically call you a scumbag, then you have not one reason to make that assumption. Emotional people will do so anyway.

I did not realize there were so many here who use dics rather than their brain to think with. Which head is used for thinking? The list includes every person above who had a problem with the word "Prophesy". These would be same people who had a problem with what I have posted previously - but did not have balls large enough behind that dic to stand up for their logically based opinions. For those who think emotionally, this paragraph is insults. In reality, this paragraph is an alliteration. Since so many responders reply with emotions rather than adult logic, then I make thinking easier for them. References to 'heads' is a figure of speech to demonstrate a point; obviously not intended to insult anyone. Since many adults cannot respond logically, then, unfortunately, they want a title to be politically correct. Obviously those who think with their dic don 't have command of logical thought. Do you understand a logical point in that alliteration, or are you so emotional as to read into it a hidden meantion or IMPACT?

Meanwhile, the post stands accurately. bin Laden's decrees usually preceed an attempted attack by two or more weeks. That was the point of that post. I did not say what Beestie assumes and have no intent whatsoever to inspire IMPACT. IMPACT would be playing to silly childish emotions. You cannot tell that to Lumberjim who would even take insult when provided a best solution to a neighbor's cat - a bigger trash can. A solution he eventually conceeded to. My god, how big was his dic when he took insult to that post? Silly those who don't think logically - those who see a hidden agenda rather than just read what was posted.

Ask yourself if I just insulted anyone. Only if one sees a hidden agenda in this post. I simply put the facts out bluntly with examples of those who so easily resort to emotion. Some learn facts without applying their personal agendas. Others cannot observe without distorting their perceptions using personal bias. That is the entire point of a response to those who could not, for one minute, comprehend an obvious purpose of the topmost post. Those who complain because I was not politically correct.

Political correctness is for those who are not adult enough to separate their emotions from logical thought. The only thing posted up top was one simple historical thought and implications by having ignored the 'smoking gun'.

My first indication that something had gone terribly wrong was when the father of a Captain in 10th Mountain said his son and other Captains were talking about quitting the Army due to Tora Bora. As facts leaked out, Administration manipulation forced 10th Mountain to violate good tactical strategy - thereby contributing to bin Laden's escape. Tora Bora was a disaster for the American military. Obviously. The army did not achieve their objective AND its tactics were subverted by administration micromanagement.

Based upon responses in this thread, I expect many to deny all this without first learning facts. That would be a classical emotional response. This thread is chock full of emotional responses. Facts remain that bin Laden could not and would not be captured in Tora Bora due to '85% of all problems directly traceable to top management' - the George Jr administration.

Read the topmost post with care. UT, again you have read into your response a personal opinion that is not in those posts. Did bin Laden plan an attack on Madrid? Of course not. Did he plan or execute an attack on London? Of course not. And that should be completely obvious.

As a non-participant, bin Laden remains the 'idol' upon which other 'dandelions in the lawn' plan and execute attacks. Again, the underlying concept remains this network called Muslim Brotherhood (not to be confused with the political party in Egypt of same name). Those attacks in London and Madrid were not Al Qaeda. bin Laden is but one 'dandelion in the lawn'. His success and his reputation remains an inspiration that empowers - "inspires and recruits" - these attacks.

UT (and Beestie), apparently you never did comprehend that previous point. A point that should go a long way into better understanding this future bin Laden prophesy. The previous post and points made here are completely compatible. Instead of jumping to conclusions, instead, find the concept that causes both posts to be accurate and consistent.

To keep it simple, the administration likes people to think Al Qaeda even attacked the WTC in 1993, or a discotheque in Bali Indonesia. bin Laden was only the idol upon which other attacks were inspired. This in part because we did not try and therefore did not succeed in getting him. His legend is now huge - and growing. Shame that you never understood that post then, and still don't comprehend today. Somehow you assume bin Laden plans and executes these attack - which is an administration myth.

Islamist terror from the bin Laden idol? If not bin Laden, there will be some other idol. Doesn't even have to be real; it can be the 12th imam hiding down the well for 1000 years, if need be.

Maybe he sank the ferry. :eyebrow:

Well, tw isn't the only one to think this. Interesting note on the 1993 attacks:The Power of Nightmares states that "Al Qaeda", as an organized group, did not exist until the US declared it so and that there was no central effort until the US government stated there was. For all purposes tangible and not, the US created the group everyone fears. I'm not sure if you're implying that the US permits the terrorist attacks to occur, but we sure as hell looked the other way when given all of the warning signs on 9/11. Al Qaeda did not bomb the WTC in 1993. We somehow credit them, now, for that attack and events before even that.

As far as the prophecy, there have been more than a handful of Bin Laden statements released that stated the US mainland was going to experience an attack. This has happened for years with no results, although Europe has continued to see such things. I'm not apt to buy the notion that we're going to be hit in a couple weeks.

But, yeah, I will say that the US needs Al Qaeda just as we needed the Soviets during the cold war. Even if bin Laden somehow does meet his end, we will continue to hype the terrorist group just as we did the Soviets when we knew they had fallen well behind. Without the threat, there are plenty of groups that don't get money, plenty of laws that won't get passed, weapons contracts that won't be signed, and the public might begin to turn their attention to better things besides being afraid. Like, actually questioning the government that is very busy on taking away many of our freedoms.

We don't really need the bin Laden figurehead, but it helps. Remember the DHS media frenzy? The VX gas? The possible bombs in the ports? The dirty bombs? Smallpox in the subways? Poisoning the great lakes and other water supplies with ricin? Packing Cessnas full of C4? Stolen crop dusters? Shoulder-mounted missiles near airports? The remote controlled planes that would spray anthrax across major cities? Hidden nukes in shipping containers? The predicted hack attack on corporations via the internet? Stolen UPS deliveryman uniforms? Hijacked, explosive ambulances and firetrucks? The alerts to cover a safe room in plastic sheeting and duct tape to suffocate--er, save yourself? The poison/exploding pens on CNN, for crying out loud?

Everyone bought it, everyone fell for it. No matter how ludicrous the published threat, the public ate it. Regular citizens bought gas masks, started carrying guns, and even purchased potassium iodine pills. From New York City to Nowhere, Nebraska, everyone was trembling, begging for any kind of government help. In return, a flood of your tax money went to fund organizations that tap your phones, monitor your e-mail, search residences without a warrant, detain anyone they want indefinately without any reason, and stage wars to get a US foothold in places we would never have dreamed of obtaining during the cold war threat. But don't question it -- you'll be aiding the invisible enemy or even hurting our troops! The best part of it all? Once set into motion, the administration didn't need to place much energy into it to keep the ball rolling. The public, on its own, managed to perpetuate the fear and manipulate it into the outlandish. How else did nearly 70% of the public believe Saddam was responsible for 9/11? Stating anything to the contrary, at the time, was simply unAmerican.

9/11 was honestly a dream come true to those that knew there was money to be made and power to gain. Nothing modifies governments, changes people, and brings in the cash like fear.

Your 24 hour news channels have displayed the national terror alert level color nearly once every minute for more than five years, now. The scrolling ticker at the bottom of your screen has not gone away since the morning of 9/11/2001.

Oh, yeah, you're not any safer today than you were on September, 10th, 2001 for all of the airport precautions that were put into effect and then just as quickly removed. What is the real reason, do you think, that the fear was hyped up? Do you think, maybe, that you've all been taken advantage of?

I'm pretty sure you are joking.

This is a high res picture of the ferry that sank. Apparently, it was a retired Italian ferry, purchased by the Egyptians for their ferry routes. When the Egyptians purchased it, they added 4 additional decks to the top of the thing to increase the number of passengers it holds. In the picture I linked to, you can see where the old bridge was, down low, and the new bridge way up on top. This certainly affected the stability of the vessel. The ship was more top heavy than before. It was also old, and probably had faulty door seals. The cars enter the ferry just abouve the water line. It wouldn't take very high seas to compromise the door seal.

Ferrys in third world countries scare me. Remember the one that sank because there was a fight or something on the top deck, and everyone rushed to one side of the ship to watch? The sudden shift in weight swamped the thing.

It was the same design as the Estonia and the Hearald of Free Enterprise, which sunk due to that weird flip-up bow door somehow breaking and letting water into the car deck.
But then I was just reading that there is a new clue in the Estonia sinking...

glatt, I don't see the bow door in that picture?
btw, the ship had a complete inspection last summer.
And there was a Canadian on board. :mg:

please tell me it was dov

No such luck. :(

I must wonder if this multiple vehicle attack on the world's biggest oil processing complex was an attack prophesized by bin Laden. Like so many attacks that were averted when leadership read their memos, this one is also little reported. Had it been successful, then consequences would have created a mini-worldwide oil shortage. It would be world wide, front page news. But in this case, the 'powers that be' did their job. So the attack gets little coverage. That was one ton of explosives.

From ABC News of 26 Feb 2006: Security 'empowered by a leadership' that was responsible intercepted the bombers at least one mile away from critical facilities - which is what happens when security is 'empowered by responsible leadership'. Never forget the PDB that George Jr ignored when 11 Sept attacks were detected: “Bin Ladin Determined to Strike in US.” (When Rice finally conceded and read the title, there were numerous and loud gasps in the audience.) Was this the attack that bin Laden predicted? It would have had severe consequences on America. And like an averted Nov 2001 attack that George Jr recently announced, this one also was averted by foreigners who did their job. Little people empowered to do their job are a greatest threat to terrorists. A specific reference to many FBI agents who were stopped from averting 11 September.

It was an obvious target for terrorists. I should think security would be high, 24/7. :unsure:

We know this to be fact. Every target that was not successfully hit always gets attacked again later. Often by another, completely different, group (some other dandelion from some other lawn) who also claims to be Al Qaeda. More attacks will be attempted. As, as usual, when security is considered by top management, terrorism fails.

The USS Cole is a classic example of how to not even do security in a secure port. Yemen was not even considered secure. But top management made no effort to protect the Cole - as they also did not protect The Sullivans previously.

For example, LAX was targeted when Clinton read his PDB, empowered federal agents to do their job and stopped the bomb. An LAX attack will be attempted again. The Eiffel Tower was targeted. But religious extremists never learned how to fly. An attempt on it will be attempted. This trend based in history.

And none of it should result in the hype and fear so promoted to keep George Jr’s popularity higher. It is simply an international law enforcement problem performed in conjunction with international intelligence. It means top government leaders must read and understand their PDBs.

Hey, wait. Didn't bin Laden offer a truce back in January?

Apparently Cheney rejected it, calling it a ploy.

Jesus! T W,you must feel a hell of a lot better with that lot off your chest. Or is this the norm for you?
Where do you get all the info. on Bin Laden? A source in the Administration?
I'll get back to reading now.
Johnny

Yes. :lol:

The futures market is about unloading some risk on others so that catastrophic events will not create bankruptcy. Some years ago, a market for terrorism had been discussed as a way to minimize the economic damage as well as a predictor of threats. Well, it never happened like so many other financial instruments that never got beyond a 'thesis' stage.

However American Science and Engineering is a company selling security equipment. In previous times, their stock has risen in response to perceived threat. If bin Laden's prophesy was that unsuccessful bombing in Saudi Arabia, then ASEI stock should return to normal. However the chart says something different:

Well done, TW, kudos. Brief, concise, informative and to the point.
Did they get a big government contract, or something similar, that would ensure long term profits, or just the security market is fat? :confused:

They just landed (yesterday) the biggest contract in the company's history to sell cargo inspection equipment to an unnamed Middle East country. Apparently, they have devices that can see through cargo containers and detect all sorts of interesting things hidden inside.

Good call B.

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/060301/20060301005605.html?.v=1

March 1, 2006--American Science and Engineering, Inc. (NASDAQ: ASEI - News; AS&E®), a leader in X-ray detection technology, announced today that it has been awarded a two-phased contract valued at $45 million from a Middle East Customs Agency to use its patented X-ray detection systems to secure strategic borders, seaports, and airports.

$45M contract, for a company grossing $149.8M a year and the stock rises 15%. Sounds about right.

And some people waste good money on lottery tickets. One can buy a winning ticket in the stock market. Just read the Cellar - in this case a thread called Port Nonsense .

I'd say their future is very bright.... until the lion lies down with the lamb......or eats it. :)