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rkzenrage 06-18-2007 02:33 PM

Iran condemns Britain over Rushdie knighthood
 
Iran condemns Britain over Rushdie knighthood
Says award is an insult to Islam

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Iran accused Britain yesterday of insulting Islamic values by knighting Salman Rushdie, whose novel "The Satanic Verses" prompted the late Iranian Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini to issue a fatwa death warrant against him.
So, Britain finally gets a spine when it comes to Islam... now, apply it to the schools please.

Sundae 06-18-2007 02:48 PM

The thread I posted this in died pretty soon after I responded, so you may not have seen it. Basically I was questioning your assumption that British schools refused to teach anything about the Holocaust from fear of offending Muslims.

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The only possible explanation I can think of is the story that one single school in a predominately Muslim area chose not to include the Holocaust as an essay topic at GCSE level (14-16 year old). Please bear in mind that schools throughout the UK get to choose which specific modules they teach for the exam. I did World Powers in the 20th Century for my GCSE - my friend at a different school did Tudors & Stuarts (British Middle Ages) and got exactly the same qualification.

In this case it was decided that it wasn't reasonable to set a question that would count towards their final grade if it contradicted what they had been taught at home and in the mosque. Not when there were plenty of other topics that could be selected that would not anger the community, disrupt classes, and which would allow pupils to get the qualifications their intelligence deserved.

In the same way schools in the Bible Belt would probably protest if pupils had to sit an exam where the only acceptable responses involved reference to evolution.

It was nothing to do with cowardice. It was an isolated educational decision.

Sundae 06-18-2007 02:54 PM

In fact, here is Snopes on the subject. I can't seem to cut & paste from there but it basically confirms what I wrote above - there was only ONE case, ONE school that removed Holocaust teaching from its history curriculum.

Flint 06-18-2007 03:53 PM

The Satanic Verses is a great book.

It's title is misleading in the same way that the Grateful Dead would appear to be a hard rock band (the skeletons, etc.) ...

Cyclefrance 06-18-2007 05:35 PM

Even if Rushdie did write a good book, and that the subject matter put his life at risk, I don't quite get the relevance of bestowing him a knighthood. But then the whole honours programme can leave you scratching your head wondering in too many instances...

elSicomoro 06-18-2007 05:41 PM

If I were a British subject, you fuckers would totally knight me. :)

Sundae 06-18-2007 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Cyclefrance (Post 356562)
Even if Rushdie did write a good book, and that the subject matter put his life at risk, I don't quite get the relevance of bestowing him a knighthood. But then the whole honours programme can leave you scratching your head wondering in too many instances...

CF - he's been knighted for his lifetime contribution to literature - don't fall into the trap of believing a furore nearly 20 years ago is the reason for his knighthood. Although I agree with you it seems random sometimes. I'd far rather see Sir Ian Hislop :)

[Not CF]Crikey me - it wasn't even the same Government, unless the Iranians believe the Queen has held a grudge against Islam all this time and has finally revealed her Islamophobia in a topical and dazzling display.
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Originally Posted by sycamore (Post 356568)
If I were a British subject, you fuckers would totally knight me. :)

Because once a knight's enough?

Clodfobble 06-18-2007 05:56 PM

Ahh, they only knighted him because he appeared on the Colbert Report and they didn't want to seem like they were behind the times.

elSicomoro 06-18-2007 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Sundae Girl (Post 356577)
Because once a knight's enough?

There is no such thing as too much Sycamore. :)

rkzenrage 06-18-2007 06:12 PM

This is a Fuck You over the whole kidnapping their soldiers deal.
A good one too, smart.

Aliantha 06-19-2007 12:56 AM

There are a lot of other people who've been knighted for contribution to the arts. Sir Elton John for one. The list is long.

Knighthoods aren't very special really.

You'd be better off with an Order of Australia. ;)

DanaC 06-19-2007 06:00 AM

Once and for all, British schools are not pandering to Moslem sensibilities in their teaching. One school, in which a teacher felt unable to tackle a contentious issue was used as an example of how not to approach the teaching of history. It was mentioned in a report which was penned to offer schools best practice advice on History teaching: included within that report were examples of potential pitfalls and potential solutions, along with examples of good practice and examples of poor practice.

Rexmons 06-19-2007 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Sundae Girl (Post 356490)
The thread I posted this in died pretty soon after I responded, so you may not have seen it. Basically I was questioning your assumption that British schools refused to teach anything about the Holocaust from fear of offending Muslims.

thats pretty dumb, it's funny how everyone assumes all Muslims hate Jews and vice versa. The only instance of real turmoil is the whole Palestine / Isreal cluster-fuck and thats over land not religion.

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage (Post 356588)
This is a Fuck You over the whole kidnapping their soldiers deal.
A good one too, smart.

if they wanted to be smart about it they would have issued the fuck you to iran and it's 65 million people directly and not the Islamic world and it's 1.3 billion followers.

DanaC 06-19-2007 07:41 AM

This has nothing to do with any kidnapped soldiers.

Salman Rushdi is a highly respected writer. He has been honoured for his services to writing and culture. The honours list often includes such literary figures.

What would be entirely unacceptable, would be if we debarred someone who is considered to be a literary giant, from receiving such an honour on the grounds that his books offended a faith.

I'd be the first to admit that there is a problem in this country with Islamophobia......but this is nothing to do with that.

elSicomoro 06-19-2007 10:26 AM

Apparently, some folks in Pakistan are none too happy with Rushdie's knighthood as well...from the BBC: The UK's envoy to Pakistan has expressed "deep concern" over comments by a Pakistani minister about Sir Salman Rushdie's knighthood.

Religious Affairs Minister Mohammad Ejaz ul-Haq had said the honour meant a risk of suicide attacks because Muslims believed Sir Salman had insulted Islam.

But High Commissioner Robert Brinkley said it was untrue that the knighthood was intended to insult Islam.

Sir Salman's book The Satanic Verses in 1989 sparked protests around the world.


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