How cute are oyu.
 

Fargon is this cute.

its the short tie. that always gets them.

I can tie any knot you can think of, and some you never thought of, But I can not tie a tie.

Nice photo fargon!

I'd probably rank around a five. Maybe a 3 like right now with my specs on and my bare feet and stripey lounge pants :P

Wow, I'm surprised that site's still around!

Cute as a button:p

Four-in-hand knot, Fargon -- a mirror to look in is helpful:

1. Shirt buttoned to neck, flip up collar; drape tie around neck, fat end well down, skinny end touching your third shirt button.

2. Fat end (aka long end) to left shoulder. The ends are now roughly perpendicular to each other.

3. Fat end passed behind skinny end to reach right shoulder. First you went left, now you go right.

4. Right index finger placed upright in front of the bits of the tie that are wrapped together right at the front of the collar where your knot will be.

5. Fat end back all the way to the left shoulder again, over that upright finger which is holding things open to put the fat end through again.

6. Fat end to the knot, going beneath the part of the tie that's going around your neck, and then tuck it through the hole your finger is holding open, pull down the fat end below the knot. Fat end should hang down farther than the skinny end.

7. Flip collar down; adjust tightness with the skinny end, and control things with a tie bar or tie tack if you like that look. I do, disliking having my tie swaying back and forth like an elephant's trunk. The style of your collar should coordinate with the size of your tie knot: big knots want regular or spread collars (which are very cut away), bitsy knots need a collar whose points are close together -- see Tom Wolfe's outfits for an extreme example of this. Fashion in ties cycles back and forth between wide and narrow, so after some years a trendy guy has accumulated quite a battery of varied widths in ties. I only bother with silk ties and woolen tartan ties -- polyester picks at one's morale: "I chose the cheapo, bargain brand." Go ahead and splurge on the thirty bucks' worth of silk.

Here is other helpful knot tying information:

First-time fun ideas
Some things that first-timers can try out include:


Taking turns to tie each other up with silk scarves and tease one another;
Tie the passive partner up with something that can easily be broken out of, such as paper streamers, or a really thin chain. Then they only have to stay in that position if they want to be there;
Blindfolding during sex, massage, or kissing;
Furry lovecuffs - handcuffs that are padded with fake fur on the inside to prevent chafing, and can't close too far (which cuts off the circulation).

I like Shawnee's idea better sounds like more fun.

Doesn't it though? ;)

Ha! Haaa! That's awseome.
Only a 7.5? C'mon.....

did you write this or cut and paste? cuz if you wrote it, good job. i use a tie bar too.

you should start a new thread about mens fashion.

Maybe I should... but I just ape Egon von Furstenburg in matters coat-and-tie anyway. No, this one is how I teach guys who haven't tied a tie before, and it's how I tie my ties. Definitely use a mirror when training somebody; then he doesn't have to reverse things on every move as the two of you are standing facing the same direction, the mirror giving feedback. They catch on quick.

do you frequently find yourself teaching someone to tie a tie? are you a scout-leader? you use the word 'guy' not boy. these are men you're teaching? military school? boarding school? mens clothing store?

....i may have missed it elsewhere, and i do have the impression that you're in theatre at least part time. what DO you do?

My policy:

1) If you can't tie a tie, don't wear one.

2) If you can tie a tie, don't wear one. If you can possibly avoid it. That includes changing employers and even careers if necessary.