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TheMercenary 08-08-2008 07:58 AM

Normalize Relations with Cuba
 
I think it is about time. Let's drop the BS and do it. There are numerous strategic, economic, and political reasons to do so.

Strategic: Both Russia and China have their eye on Cuba as a place in our back yard to not only mine for wealth but to put offensive weapons in place and electronic snooping devices, if they have not already. China is planning on putting in off shore oil wells that will be in sight of our coastline, if you consider the Keys as part of our coastline. Normalizing relations will go a long way to deter these attempts.

Economic: We have a strong Cuban American community in the US. If they can overcome their Castrophobia we could have a fantastic trading partner who needs our exports badly. Food, medicine, tourism, and think about all those old cars from the 50's that are still running. Cuban cigars! Beaches. Hotels could go in and start over. It would revolutionize their economy. Lots of good reasons to do it.

Political: Face it, they are not North Korea or Iran lite. They just have political differences. Hell, even the Russians had an embassy in the US and they were (are) a much greater mortal threat to us than Cuba could hope to be, except by proxy during the Missile Crisis. Let's get over it already.

What do you think Cellar?

DanaC 08-08-2008 08:03 AM

I entirely agree.

classicman 08-08-2008 08:13 AM

Well... ok.

But if they point missiles at me again I'm gonna be pissed.

TheMercenary 08-08-2008 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by classicman (Post 474803)
Well... ok.

But if they point missiles at me again I'm gonna be pissed.

That is what I am trying to prevent.

glatt 08-08-2008 08:23 AM

I've got no problem with Cuba.

It would be a nice vacation spot, even.

classicman 08-08-2008 08:25 AM

Then I am definitely in!

Srsly. This should have been done years ago. Its ridiculous the way the last several administrations have handled our relations with Cuba. We deal with all these other countries that are far worse than Cuba, yet not them.

Guess they don't have enough to offer us on the positive side, we can only prevent a further negative - eh?

Griff 08-08-2008 08:45 AM

Definitely normalize. Unfortunately, I have trouble visualizing the Florida Cubans letting the GOP normalize, but I guess a Democrat administration could do it.

Sundae 08-08-2008 09:59 AM

It is a lovely place to holiday - I have done.

Isn't it a little patronising to say America will "revolutionize" Cuba's economy? You can certainly help them. And it will remove an international embarrassment (the Helms-Burton Act is widely deplored)

But yes, I fully agree that having not beaten Castro into the ground, your best bet is to pretend you never had a strop with him in the first place and remove the embargo. Kill him with kindness if you like. Just start trading again.

TheMercenary 08-08-2008 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sundae Girl (Post 474848)
It is a lovely place to holiday - I have done.

Isn't it a little patronising to say America will "revolutionize" Cuba's economy? You can certainly help them. And it will remove an international embarrassment (the Helms-Burton Act is widely deplored)

But yes, I fully agree that having not beaten Castro into the ground, your best bet is to pretend you never had a strop with him in the first place and remove the embargo. Kill him with kindness if you like. Just start trading again.

From the things I have read about their lifestyle I fully believe that fully normalized relations would revolutionize their economy. It is just a difference between have's and have not's coupled with proximity. It would become the new hot vacation destination for many Americans and it would be very easy to get to. Of course the Cuban government would have to open their markets as well and allow large corps to build hotels and other vacation spots. It would be a win-win.

xoxoxoBruce 08-08-2008 10:42 AM

They killed JFK and paid dearly for it, but it's time to move on and take their oil. ;)

Shawnee123 08-08-2008 11:08 AM

And I'm tired of the Dominicans rolling their crepes too tightly.

Undertoad 08-08-2008 12:07 PM

They already use US Dollars for all unofficial transactions. 51st state anyone?

Clodfobble 08-08-2008 12:26 PM

Whoa whoa whoa, let's not get hasty. They can be a territory, like Puerto Rico. Nobody wants to redesign the whole flag...

lookout123 08-08-2008 12:28 PM

they just did for the new stamp. too many stripes, it seems.

TheMercenary 08-08-2008 12:42 PM

Maybe all US flags should have streamers like a Military Flag, each streamer could represent a territory affiliated with the US.


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