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LCanal 04-25-2005 09:30 PM

Web Page 101
 
Sorry to be uninspired but maybe someone could take a couple of seconds to recommend the best software for a first time web page.

I need a hobby and a friend's bar needs a simple web page.

smoothmoniker 04-25-2005 11:09 PM

dreamweaver + css style sheets.

Troubleshooter 04-26-2005 09:41 AM

He said simple and first time...

Try this: http://www.editpadpro.com/editpadlite.html

Find a page that you like somewhere, steal the html and edit it with that program.

Bang, instant web page.

Beestie 04-26-2005 10:56 AM

style sheets? Dreamweaver? For a newbie? Yikes.

First, learn the basics of HTML at www.weballey.net. You might spend a couple days going through the info but if you master the material on this site, you can build quite a nice web page that will work for all browsers and all resolutions.

Then, either use TS' link or www.textpad.com and use a basic text editor to compose the HTML. I'm not familiar with editPad but Text pad has a built in HTML editor mode with many HTML tags that you can add with a simple doubleclick. Save the doc as type "HTML" and it will color code it for you to make editing a snap.

I think it best if you do something absurdly quick and simple and post your pages to your site just to make one complete cycle through the development process. Then, go back and add enhancements as you acquire more skill and more daring.

Pls provide a link to your web page when you post it.

smoothmoniker 04-26-2005 12:16 PM

I had no background in html or design, and got dreamweaver and stylesheets to work very quickly and very simply.

I guess you need to be a bit of a digit head to just jump right into it, but still, it's not like your coding entire server side apps with it.

jaguar 04-26-2005 12:43 PM

Quote:

steal the html and edit it with that program.
Just because it's easy doesn't mean it's right, it's code and layout theft that's making more and more coders use increasingly complex obsfucation of anything that goes near the client. If it really is good don't think you'll get away with it either, there sophisticated tools for tracking and proving this stuff in court, good sites that work across all browsers take good time and money to develop.

Troubleshooter 04-26-2005 12:58 PM

My point was more along the lines of look at the page, look at the html, learn the appropriate tags to do what you want and then move on from there.

Anyone sophisticated enough to grab and modify a serious page would be writing their own.

Beestie 04-26-2005 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jaguar
Just because it's easy doesn't mean it's right...there sophisticated tools for tracking and proving this stuff in court

Holy crap, jag - I figured he was looking to put up a site for pics of his dog or something.

Hmmmm.... ! Unless, of course, he's hoodwinked Dell Computers into letting him revamp their B2B eCommerce site in which case I take back what I said about Dreamweaver and css :lol:

OnyxCougar 04-26-2005 01:53 PM

I second the suggestion to learn the HTML yourself.

www.webmonkey.com

is a really good resource for new coders....and it's got a step by step course. free.

jaguar 04-26-2005 02:40 PM

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Anyone sophisticated enough to grab and modify a serious page would be writing their own.
If only. Sadly it's very, very common to see entire layouts copied in quite sophisticated ways. There's nothing wrong with looking to learn but copying/pasting code is IP theft, which isn't normal theft but it's still wrong.

dar512 04-26-2005 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaguar
Just because it's easy doesn't mean it's right, it's code and layout theft that's making more and more coders use increasingly complex obsfucation of anything that goes near the client. If it really is good don't think you'll get away with it either, there sophisticated tools for tracking and proving this stuff in court, good sites that work across all browsers take good time and money to develop.

I am heartily in favor of honoring intellectual property rights. Does that mean, Jag, that you don't download copyrighted music?

jaguar 04-26-2005 03:29 PM

Was waiting for that. When web development is controlled by a tiny cartel that artifically elevate prices and screw coders hard you'll have a point. If it's non-riaa, I buy it.

Cain 04-26-2005 05:22 PM

Nvu For the software (free)

W3 Schools and webmonkey (as mentioned) for some instruction, if you need any.

LCanal 04-26-2005 11:13 PM

Thank You all.

Sorted

russotto 04-27-2005 09:41 AM

Look-n-feel copyrights died in Apple v. Microsoft. Copy away.


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