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Originally posted by Troubleshooter
In the instance of the State sterilizing profoundly retarded people, it isn't being done for the convenience of the state. It protects the retarded person from pregnancy, and from losing a child. Also it protects the retarded person's family from that burden as well.
Additionally it protects the State (in this context, it's citizens) from the burden of paying for all of this as well as the long term concern of caring for an additional unwanted, but preventable, birth.
Her pro-choice stance is predicated upon preventing late-term, convenience abortions. All she says is that if you're going to get an abortion is to get it early.
Now, all of that being said, we'll see what she says about my interpretation of her stance when she wakes up...
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Yup, that's what I mean. Like Onyx, I'm morally against abortion, and I wouldn't do it myself, even if I got raped (IMO, it's not the child's fault that his father is lower than pond scum, and the baby should not have to pay for the sins of the father. If I felt I couldn't live with the reminder, I'd give the child up for adoption)--however, if something was so wrong with my child, I may consider it---I don't think so, though, because I don't think I could live with myself. The way I see it, there are thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of people out there who can't have kids, and often they're willing to pay for both taking care of the woman during pregnancy AND the birth, so I don't see the point of abortion, unless the mother's life is at stake and both parents decide that that's what they want to do.
There are so many early-term methods of abortion that don't involve such cruelty and pain to the fetus. It's not like people wake up one morning to find themselves six months pregnant. They know they're pregnant early on, if not from a missed period (s), then from a pregnancy test. There's no excuse for waiting so long to get an abortion.
Everything TS said is right on, btw.
Just as an aside, I personally know of three abortion instances that I will relate here:
One, I personally SAW a woman dragging her daughter into a clinic. The girl did not want to get an abortion. The boyfriend was there, too, wearing all kinds of gold jewelry and nice clothes. The mother and the guy said to the protesters outside that they couldn't AFFORD the baby....(this was on the news about ten years ago)...maybe if he'd sell some of that gold, he could take care of his responsibility.
Two, I know two girls who've had abortions. They didn't know each other, but they both told me the same thing, almost verbatim, when I asked them why they didn't give the babies up for adoption: "I would rather kill my baby than know someone else had it." One of them even celebrated her baby's "birthday" every year. That's fucking SICK. Both the celebration and the callous reasons for having the abortion.
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