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Originally posted by dhamsaic
tw - I agree with a lot of what you say, and I really do have sympathy for the Palestinian cause. I am damn tired of reading every day about how 15 more Palestinian police officers have been killed, or some fucking moron blew up a disco in Tel Aviv, killing 21 teenage Israelis. The problem is, the extremists in each side do not want to live with each other.

First off, everyone agrees that Israel is there to stay. Anything said to the contrary is quite obviously a bargining chip. However extremist Israelis truly believe they will eject Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza. That is why the only reason for all this violence is extremist Israelis. They are the only reason for all these deaths because it is only the extremist Israelis that want another people expelled.

Second Israel is not being provoked. Extremist Israelis have been trying to create the violence all along. By creating the violence, they got the dichead elected. All current Middle East violence is directly traceable to Isreali extremist actions. ALL. This violence was clearly well planned and executed to include the murder of Rabin and the election of Likud. But then the previous post demostrates Likud strategy with examples.

Hamas has little support when Palestinians have a government. Read the polls from the Middle East or quotes by the BBC of Middle East Arabs. Why should Palestinians listen to their government - Arafat - when they don't even have a government, thanks to extremist Israeli actions. Even when the Palestinian government attempts to provide military protection, the US calls that shipment a terrorist action.

Israelis repeatedly ignore terrorists. Instead they attack things like the entire Census office setup by the European Union for a Palestinian state. What terrorism comes from a Census Bureau? None. Israel just wants any excuse to eliminate all Palestinians from the Middle East. Israel intentionally does not try to stop Hamas or Islamic Jihad terrorists. Instead they attack only Arafat government installations in response to a trivial bombing. Trivial because the death number do not exceed 100 people.

I encourage a massive increase in bombings because, at this point, it is the only reason that Israel will dump their extremist Likud party. Peace will never happen with the dichead or the other pathetic joke - the petty theif Netanyahu - in power. Only a steady increase in deaths of everyone in Israel - Arabs and Jews - will remove the dichead's government. Violence must increase drastically to get peace. Welcome to a dirty little reality in Israel created because fools elected an extremist government.

Don't be emotional on the Middle East. Such emotion only means things get worse. We should have taken away all support for Israel (massive) and the Palestinians (insignificant), and let them murder each other when Sharon took power. This is how America has been so successful when we accomplish peaceful settlements all the way back to the start of the 20th Century. When we interfere too early, we get failures such as VietNam and Somalia. Now, we have only aggrevated the problem by avidly supporting an extremist government that clearly does not want peace nor never ever will seek peace. Those who remain living will eventually detach their support for extremist Likud leaders. You are starting to see it this past month with a VietNam like peace movement - finally. It would have happened sooner except that too few Israeli civilians were dying.

The day that Israelis voted in the dichead, they voted for more deaths. They voted for a racist (as proven by international declaration) government that does not want to share the region with any other people. Arabs don't expect to expell Israel. But Likud expects to drive all Arabs from 'their' lands. Israel will reap what it sows until they find someone moderate to replace Rabin.

Don't fool yourself. Only massive death rates will get Likud out of power. Likud must be removed since Likud's long history is routine destruction of peace. No other serious organization is more dedicated to the destruction of a peace process. Peace is always contrary to the Likud party line - regardless of what their rhetoric claims. Unfortunately, our mental midget president instead encourages the Israelis to be more extremist at the expense of the Palestinians, UN 242, Oslo Accords, and - this is the part we must seriously worry about - America's relations with all nations from Morroco to Pakistan.

Did you see the Gallup Polls of 11(?) Arab nations? George Jr has successfully destroyed any good relations we had established with the Arab world since the Kuwait rescue. Details from those poll points not to US support of Israel, but of US support of a dichead as the reasons for a severe decline in US popularity. In one poll, a 77% adverse rating!

Arafat last week met every condition the Israelis demanded in bringing murders of a government minister to justice. The lying dichead then backed out of the agreement by doing what extremists Likud always does - change the conditions so that Israel does not have to comply. This is exactly what even a half intelligent president would not stand for. But George Jr only encouraged Sharon to break another promise. George Jr does not hold Sharon's feet IN the fire. Sharon is simply feeling week by week how much more he can get away with under a mentally inactive US president. Every month he gets away with more. Six months ago, the world would have never stood for Israeli tanks in Ramallah. But the US has seen to it that even that obscene action can now happen without protest.

George Jr has interfered too much without a clear and fair agenda. Either we go in under a UN mandate as peace keepers - as the meanest dog in the neighborhood - or we do what we let the Yugoslavians and Europeans do in the Balkins. It was Clinton's magic - to know when it was time for the US to interfere in Bosnia. We let them slaughter themselves so much that US interference was welcomed. All wanted peace because finally enough had died. It's not nice but it is reality. Too many must die before the remaining finally expell their extremist leaders. The Serbians are now cooperating to send their extremists to The Hague because finally enough had died in the Balkins.

Unfortunately, instead we provide the Israelis with more weapons to slaughter Arabs. We make peace impossible because we encourage a one sided slaughter. Whose weapons made it possible for Sharon to massacre 5000 Palestinian refugees?

Bury your emotions and be upset that violence is not aggressive enough to create peace. Bottom line is the dying must approach 100 per day on each side - the numbers on each side being equal. Unfortunately no where near enough Israelis are dying. If we are going to interfere, then lets do so by taking Sharon to The Hague for a trial long since overdue. Let's start demanding all Israeli settlements be dismantled by the end of the year or we start bombing them. Otherwise we must make it as difficult for the Israelis as it is for the Palestinians by withdrawing our money and let death rates increase drastically.

The organization most adverse to peace is ... the current Israeli government best know as Likud.

Who gets the most of US foreign aid? Israel. Israel and Egypt get over 50% of all US foreign aid. Egypt is not stealing land from honest people. Israel is. Estimate stolen land equals about 15 slaughtered civilians per acre per year. Reality is the land has more value than any people in that region. Those deaths are of insignificant people - pigs to be slaughtered - until we come to grips with why all this has started. It started only - point your finger only at - the Israeli Likud party and is primary reason - Sharon. They are the reason why human live in the Middle East has so little value.

Any Palestinian bomb is directly traceable to the reason for that bombing - Sharon.

Eliminate Likud extremists and peace would follow almost automatically. Hamas is an insignificant power if Arafat had a functioning goverment. Hamas only has power because of Sharon's actions. My original point. Extremists empower all other extremists. Hamas had no power until Sharon help Hamas recruit from the ranks of intelligent people. Hamas only has power as long as Likud runs or even influences the Isreali government.

If the deaths in the Middle East bother you, then advocate the kidnapping of Sharon by US troops to be put on trial in The Hague. That would quickly make peace an option. Peace would probably happen only because of natural human needs. Removing Likud would make peace completely inevitable. It is why Rabin almost made peace. No Likud in his government.

Currently, the only way to restart peace is 100+ dead civilians every day. Be happier when the daily death toll is higher - especially among Gaza and West Bank Isreali land robbers. That means peace is coming quicker. High death tolls will only result in a revived peace process because sanity will remove Likud. Unfortunately that will never happen when the US provides so much one sided support to mass murders like Sharon.