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and still we argue the unproveable.

cat - do you realise that your scenario could be just as much an invention of a mind that doesn't want to believe a higher power than themselves exists?

that is not very different than what you are sure those with faith do - pick an ending (there is a higher power) and then choose or create a scenario to reach that conclusion.

you can't prove yours, noodle can't prove his.

one thing i notice *zips up flame retardent suit* those who are sure religion is for the birds are generally more insulting in explaining their logic than those who believe in God. to me it seems that Mrnoodle should be more emotionally entangled in his defense - he has his eternal soul on the block, after all. you and TS have absolutely nothing at risk if you are right, so why do you care so much if someone believes otherwise?