you're right Glatt - LS's threads do tend to spiral into big EffU fests.
MrNoodle, don't ignore Jag - he may be a limey/eurotrash/aussie twit who is worthy of a thousand lashes from a bicycle chain
, but he does a very good job at making some of us look at issues from a different perspective, when he doesn't spiral into vehement condescension (like many of us do from time to time). that doesn't mean he will ever change your mind on anything, but multiple perspective discussion is why we are in the cellar, right? i had someone on my ignore list for awhile, but i decided that even if that person is always wrong, i was doing myself a disservice by discarding ever point they attempted to make.
Kitsune - do you really believe that the "justice system" is about Justice, or more an exercise in legal maneuvering over a thinly veiled agenda? i tend to believe the second is true for the most part - on both sides of the legal/political spectrum. i believe justice was removed as the central focus many years ago.