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Old 09-21-2005, 09:52 AM   #11
Radar
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
It seems to me the only qualification the founders made was that when government became destructive towards the ends of life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness, it's appropriate to take action against that government. They also warned that such a decision shouldn't be taken lightly and that it should be the result of a long chain of abuses and usurpations.

I doubt many would disagree that the U.S. government is guilty of a long chain of abuses, and usurpations of power or that it's currently working against the cause of liberty, and often the persuit of happiness.

smoothmoniker was correct in bringing up the fact that I'm not asking whether or not you think an armed uprising would be successful. I just want to know, what would push you beyond the breaking point. What would it take for you to stand up and fight the government with deadly force?

Would it take the murder of your family as they did with Randy Weaver or the people in Waco? Would it take the government stealing everything from you without charging you with a crime as they often do with anonymous tips they get about drug sales? Would it take the government claiming that your property was theirs to give away to any private person that wants it as they have recently in supreme court decisions?

There must be something that would make you stand up and say, "NO MORE!!!"

Undertoad has said there is nothing that would cause him to stand up and fight. He'd go elsewhere. This can only work for a short time though because America and the UN seek to control everything around the world. Eventually tyrrany will reach every corner of the world so at some point you have nowhere to run to.

What would it take for you to fight?
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