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Originally Posted by Undertoad
So being anti-nuclear proliferation and anti-terror is solely the neo-con position now? I would vote for that woman if those positions were the centerpiece of her campaign, and so would 70% of the nation.
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70% of the nation, I would hope, is smarter. The only reason why nuclear proliferation is a problem is due to neo-con - extremist - policies. Tell the ignorant that we must attack to stop nuclear proliferation - and all we then do is encourage nuclear proliferation and satanic mentalities.
Why are countries now building nuclear weapons as fast as possible? Because neo-cons, using a political agenda rather than raw intelligence and the lessons of history, have decided to fix the world. To fix the world in their images of Christianity, democracy, and some mythical nonsense about "righteousness".
History has proven that nuclear non-proliferation and other programs that make a safer world are found in a well proven concept called containment. Pre-emption is simply an excuse to impose our will and our religion on all others - and then call that "good". Pre-emption feeds the naive with a big penis attitude that we are good and righteous. Pre-emption is justified by same principles that created the Spanish Inquisition and the Crusades.
BTW, who has subverted the nuclear non-proliferation treaty? The United States. UT often forgets such details when he represents the neo-con mentality - of them is bad and we are good. Meanwhile, back to reality. We have literally rewarded countries who have violated principles of that treaty with nuclear assistance - in direct opposition to what the nuclear non-proliferation treaty is about. Not done until this administration decided to 'preempt' rather than 'contain' what they call 'evil'. Some perverted idea that we are good and they are bad. Tell that to those who learned a lesson called Vietnam. We were right because god was on our side - in Vietnam. What happened? Reality took revenge.
Will N Korea and Iran have nuclear weapons? Of course - as they should because America has declared we will 'fix' them. This neo-con attitude does as Hitler did to gain power in 1930s Germany. It encourages and justified those who never learned lessons from history AND it promotes those - like UG - whose solution to all problems is 'Pearl Harbor' solutions and liberal use of physical confrontation. This is also what brought Hitler to power: 'sound byte' intelligence to the uneducated while disparaging those who better understand lessons of history and what is written here.
Containment works. So well proven that the world's worst war stayed mostly cold. Containment permits politicians to solve problems without resorting to all out military confrontation. Not only is the purpose of war to put a conflict back on a negotiation table. Its consequences should be enough for humans to learn why containment and political solutions is always superior to war. Need we demonstrate how smarter leaders even ended a Balkan problem? Milosevkic was literally negotiated out of power. However, UT's post advocates military solutions by pretending he would deter nuclear proliferation and terror. UT's agenda is what creates both problems.
But again, we only need return to principles even well proven in 500 BC and "Art of War" to appreciate why UT's agenda means more proliferation and more violence.
Neo-con's solution is big sticks used liberally. They always see enemies who are 'too dumb' or 'too evil' to negotiate. So why did George Jr literally destroy an entire N Korean solution? So why is a fanatic religious fringe now uniting to attack America rather then their local secular dictatorships? Why was the WTC and Pentagon attacked? Because neo-cons never bother to learn lessons of history; learn the purpose of war. Neo-cons even failed to plan for the peace in the Kuwait liberation -since they thought only war and confrontation are a solution.
Neo-con's 'god is on our side' mentality has got us into this mess - making it necessary for both Iran and N Korea to even build nuclear weapons. To literally subvert forces inside both nations that were once working for reform and that could have become friendly to the United States.