[Griff]

I never thought Democrats were that committed to personal liberty with their opposition to freedom of association, continuous social experimentation, and lack of comittmentto property rights which are fundamental to personal freedom. How free can you be without any assurance that you'll keep what you create? This gets to the two competing visions of freedom. The libertarians are freedom of people and the Democrats are the freedom from people. The Dems ran a long way from their roots as the limited government party when they had to distance themselves from racism.

I think libertarians got suckered by the idea that the GOP was committed to a smaller less intrusive government. We ignored the dangerous combination of the "Christian" right, the fact that they've been the internal improvements (big government projects favoring their supporters over others) party since the collapse of the Whigs, and the nonsense about inheirent powers which Lincoln started.