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Originally posted by Undertoad
Look Mags, you don't *want* to get along with Dave, so posting in his section against his wishes was uncivil to begin with.
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If "civility" is a requirement, a review of a *lot* of people's posts are in order. It's awfully hard to look like I "want to get along" with somebody who''s conducted a campaign (with nothing other than a desire for revenge, certainly no actual evidence) to convince folks I sockpuppeted that stream of dull-minded abuse from "parmenion".
I didn't think I should have to play kiss-ass (in English *or* German) with a moderator to use The Cellar. The Cellar in the past has always permitted all users to post in all areas. If someone's behavior became egregiously bad, their access was revoked completely. Even barak never got to that point...parmenion did, and I certainly agree with your judgement on that one.
If there's gonna be new rules now, then that's fine; the Cellar is your baby and has been since long before you bought it from Lisa. *I* think this departure is bad news. And I do think "What is the Cellar" needs some revision if that's where we're going, because what that describes isn't what we're talking about now. .
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The choice becomes one between allowing Dave to delete your messages, or having his community self-police by creating their own little war with you if they want to maintain their sense of what his community is. Or for them to leave. How is that healthy to the community?
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I think that's right at the crux of this. Will The Cellar continue to be *one* community, with one set of standards and rules? Or is it going to fragment into a collection of co-hosted blogs, each having it's own local laws and governance? Is there going to be "his community" and "her community" and "that community over there" ...or "the community"? I don't *want* "my own blog where I can ban whoever I want"; if I did, I'd have it already.
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When IotD improved (IMO) with rules changes, it made me feel like maybe rolling the dice with rules isn't such a bad thing.
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They're certainly your dice to roll.
I don't think there's anything at all wrong with a forum where threads are initiated only by the moderator...that allows a kind of forum-level branding that's difficult to get otherwise. At the same time, I think routinely subsetting the users allowed to <b>participate in a thread</b> (even to <i>read</i> a thread, a desire dham has already expressed) is a 'way different thing.
Continue on in this vein, and we can completely recreate the canonical 1990's BBS, complete with "user levels" , "secret sections" and "elite access".