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Originally Posted by Kitsune
You used your ham ticket on an I-9? That seems a bit strange to me.
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No, I used my passport...the last item in that list. Closest thing we have to a national citizenship document.
I'm not sure I think a birth cert should be a citizenship document, there's discussion about what the Fourteenth Amendment says about who is a citizen.
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Originally Posted by The Constitution
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside...
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The argument is made that illegal aliens have not subjected themselves to the jurisdiction of the United States, being in flagrant contempt of that jurisdiction. Therefore being born inside the US to illegal alien parents shouldn't automatically make you a citizen. That "I tagged up at home so you can't touch me" argument again...
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Originally Posted by Kitsune
Here's my main reason for being against a National ID: it isn't needed. You carry a pilot's license for proof that you have the ability to fly a plane, you carry a CCW to show proof that you have the ability to handle a firearm, and you have a driver's license to show that you have proven your ability to safely drive a vehicle...
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Actually, while there are
abilities prerequisite to those documents, they also attest to the fact that the associated privileges haven't been withdrawn from a particular
identified individual due to malfeasance. Any of those licences could be revoked for cause, even though my
abilites were unimpeded. The PA CCW doesn't prove I know how to shoot; it proves I passed a criminal background check. The FL CCW does have a (rather minimal) training requirement, and included a fingerprint check. These are identity documents as well as competancy certificates.
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Originally Posted by Kitsune
I know of no reason that proof of citizenship would ever have to be carried in my wallet.
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That's a circular argument...if it was required for employment you'd need it.
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Originally Posted by Kitsune
That's because you have yet to lose it.
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OK, stop hand-waving and identify it for me.
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Originally Posted by Kitsune
Hey, you proposed a mandatory national ID card rather than simply passing laws on something that is already illegal.
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No, I was responding to someone who wanted to know why enforcement of the existing law has been difficult to date. There's no existing universal fraud-resistant proof of citizenship document, which is the excuse exploiters use when caught with a payroll dripping with illegals who all presented fake SSAN cards (and in some cases real driver's licences).