Originally Posted by tw

Our borders are as secure as they ever were. Any insecurity is Rush Limbaugh spin.

If you think for one minute that ignoring reasons for this problem will make our borders any safer, then you also believed the McNamara line defended S Vietnam. As Federal agent friends said, even the war on drugs was a myth. No matter how many agents, soldiers, Coast Guard cutters, and even nuclear subs; there was no significant reduction drug trafficking. Why? We used a big gun and big wall strategy to solve symptoms rather than address the problem.

What makes borders secure? Address the reason for problems; not solve a problem foolishly with big guns and big walls.

We don't have a border security problem - anymore than we did 30 years ago. What we have is denial that is only making illegal immigration necessary. The minute we start hyping fear of unsecured borders, then I know someone is being led by the nose (sound byte spin) rather than first asking some embarrassing simple questions. Spin doctors are hyping the 'unsecured border' hype so that you will not think logically.

For that matter, prove we have a border security problem. Not administration emotion. Show me with facts and numbers how our border security is so dangerous. How many buildings have been bombed? Where are all the rapes?

Our borders today are as unsecured as they were every decade previously. Why is that suddenly a problem? Do we cure symptoms - with simple minded solutions such as big walls and big guns? Or do we instead use intelligence to address the real problem?

BTW, what is the only way to have secure borders? Good, reliable, close friends on that border. I don’t see those who worry about ‘unsecure borders’ even for one minute talking about THE best source of secure borders. They hype big walls and big guns; a ‘big dic’ mentality that absolutely ignores the most significant reason for secure borders.