[MaggieL]

Originally posted by Chefranden

I think that your people are who ever you think they are.

Thanks for clearing that up, I guess.. If what you meant is "US citizens" then you should probably say that; following directly behind your comments about AIDS it wasn't very clear.

I said nothing about Jihadists wanting to put queers to death.

OK, must have been just me saying it and you ignoring it then. You'll have to pardon me if *I* don't ignore it.

As much as you try to change the subject, we are not discussing them or their goals.

Well, that was the substance of both the Manifesto and my explanation of my point of view: the Jihadists and their goals. Since you consider that "changing the subject" we're at cross-purposes here. "Bringing the entire planet under sharia law" is their stated goal, but that doesn't bother you (yet), so you go ahead pronounce it "not the subject".

You need to be reminded that the Nazis had an Army, Navy and Air Force. Where is Osama going to get that?

I see....the Jihadists and their goals aren't the subject, but their means are. Very well. They seem to have done OK so far without their own Navy and Air Force...stealing boats and airliners seems to be good enough. As for an army, maybe you haven't noticed, but binLaden claims to *have* an army. Of course his asymmetric warfare tactics rely a bit on the likes of you trying to tie his target's hands.

The Nazis were willing to kill all the Jews to make the world safe...

Gee, that's funny....so are the Jihadists, and they'll throw in the rest of the infidels, no extra charge. How about that. Just a coincidence, right?

The point is that you want have inocent people killed to achieve your own end...

Well, you keep hammering at that, even though it's not true. My view is that using innocent people as shields isn't a tactic that should be honored.

Far from *wanting* to kill innocents, I'd be delighted to see the Jihadists stand on their own rather than run and hide behind innocents after striking and then exploit any results for propaganda. Of course their story is that *our* innocents aren't innocent, but the ones they hide among are. Very convenient.

You seem to admire such tactics, or at least think the US should play along with them, so I doubt we can agree on this subject.

Actually, if I were to migrate I'd pick someplace like Norway, which doesn't seem to have to blow anybody up to get along and be safe.

That's one of the nice things about being a small NATO member, I suppose. The bigger guys provide your defense for a few decades, and then you can sneer at them for it as a bonus. Nice.

I'm sure Norway is safe--for now--as long as somebody else is the priority target. But the Jihadists say they will get around to Norway eventually, so you'd better have Plan B standing by in case your point of view prevails, after all, you're an infidel.

Almost like being a European Jew in the 1920-30s. So where is it you're living now?

But if all us pacifists did that then who would protest your quick draw mentality?

You could certainly do that from Norway as well as you are now. I still think you should try Nigeria, though.