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Old 06-21-2007, 04:43 PM   #83
xoxoxoBruce
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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45 View Post
Once again, what is the difference between a caveman with infinite rights and a caveman that just survives? There is no difference so why would the universe make an idea of rights if they are unneeded? So, I am saying that the idea of rights were likely made as a counterweight to laws.
Rights are not sandwiches, nobody makes them, not even the "universe". Every critter is born with them.
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If rights are a justification and humans are the sole species that need to justify their actions, humans are the only ones that could make up the idea of rights. Not the universe but humans.
Were you not paying attention when I said, "Just because humans have the ability to explain their rights, to reason how they apply, doesn't mean animals... uh, the other animals, don't have them too."
We don't need them to justify out actions, although we can, it's not necessary.
Rights aren't a reaction to laws... laws are are a reaction to rights. If people didn't have rights there would be no laws, because people would just have to do what they were told.

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What would happen if someone was born without rights? Its impossible to imagine because it is impossible to do.
Yes! Now you've got it.
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You can take away any other universal law (theoritically) but not rights. If it is impossible to take away rights what is the point of reconizing them in the first place?
The point is, you're not the boss of me... and vice versa.
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It is just an added piece of information that is not needed, which goes against the will of the universe.
C'mon, don't be silly, the "universe" has no will.
Not needed? Without it there would be no truths to hold self evident.
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