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Undertoad · 11-02-2007, 08:40 PM

OK cool, thanks.

I back my thoughts up with the direct words of people honestly reported last year and the year before, who are there right now bringing back what they personally see and hear. The afore-mentioned Michael Totten, who predicted the breakout of the Lebanese war a month ahead of time by simply going there and talking with both Hisballah and Israel forces. And Michael Yon, who made the call of civil war in Iraq right at the peak of that violence graph, by embedding and watching who was fighting and why, and with intelligent discussions with mid-level military.

Their articles are dispatched directly from Anbar and Ramadi and Baghdad and Fallujah. The mid-level military guys are referring to al Qaeda. The people on the street are referring to al Qaeda. I was skeptical at first but those guys are getting their info directly. If it was just Yon alone I wouldn't buy it, but I was reading Totten even before he decided to devote his time to the M.E., and he's always been a very sensible, honest gent.

But I'll add your own skepticism to my "pool of trying to vainly understand how things might be". All data points are of interest to me, unlike tw who openly admits to dividing the facts and throwing away the half he doesn't like. Create your own reality, it's easy if you try.

11-02-2007, 08:40 PM	#45
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	OK cool, thanks. I back my thoughts up with the direct words of people honestly reported last year and the year before, who are there right now bringing back what they personally see and hear. The afore-mentioned Michael Totten, who predicted the breakout of the Lebanese war a month ahead of time by simply going there and talking with both Hisballah and Israel forces. And Michael Yon, who made the call of civil war in Iraq right at the peak of that violence graph, by embedding and watching who was fighting and why, and with intelligent discussions with mid-level military. Their articles are dispatched directly from Anbar and Ramadi and Baghdad and Fallujah. The mid-level military guys are referring to al Qaeda. The people on the street are referring to al Qaeda. I was skeptical at first but those guys are getting their info directly. If it was just Yon alone I wouldn't buy it, but I was reading Totten even before he decided to devote his time to the M.E., and he's always been a very sensible, honest gent. But I'll add your own skepticism to my "pool of trying to vainly understand how things might be". All data points are of interest to me, unlike tw who openly admits to dividing the facts and throwing away the half he doesn't like. Create your own reality, it's easy if you try.