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10-02-2001, 12:23 PM

well, specific to andrea, i think really the problem is that she holds sex as something sacred. which is fine. but even recently, she'd been talking about wanting to "sow my wild oats." i don't think she was talking casual sex, but it was about not being tied down. which is okay. some people just take it to the "extreme." but, like i said, they don't really. they just do it a little different.

in truth, america really is about having those freedoms. they're essential. the bill of rights doesn't say "yeah yeah, americans can speak freely and shit." it says "government can't fuck with their right to speak freely." big difference. these freedoms are what america is based upon. i find it mind boggling that so many people forget them, getting locked into their own little view point. my grandfather once told me "keep an open mind" - it's the best advice i've ever gotten. it's so obvious as to warrant a response of "i know"... but yet, it's some of the best advice there is...

i'm not sure if any of the posters/readers have ever seen "orgazmo". funny movie, but that's not the point. i brought it up because there's a short conversation in there that raises a good point. a woman says to ron jeremy (i'm paraphrasing here, i've only seen it once, and that was a year ago) "porn exploits women." and he says back "no, it exploits men, because it feeds on their desires." well, it's the same thing with prostitution. it's taking advantage of the man because it's feeding off one of one of the basic human instinctive NEEDS: to ejaculate in a woman's vagina (the fact that they're not actually reproducing is irrelevant - we are the way we are because we need to reproduce - the act of reproduction, i.e. ejaculating in a woman's vagina, feels good so we will do it often).

i'm willing to say, however, that prostitution, at its basic form (as described above, in my earlier post), hurts no one. it is a simple "i give you money, you give me service" arrangement. it differs from having a plumber clean your pipes (no pun intended) in only two ways: 1) the actual act itself and 2) the taboo of sex we have in our society.

i'm really losing my point here, but let me bring up something else interesting: i've heard it said by people, refuting my argument, that sex should only be with someone you love. says who? if you extend that, then all sex should be "making love". and therefore, we are not allowed to have any desire to fuck? so all sex must be pious, and for the express intent of procreation? i assume, then, that you do not masturbate, never use birth control and have only had sex when you and your partner were attempting to achieve conception? everyone has desires other than having "wholesome" "clean" sex. it's natural. and we're getting out of touch with who we really are.

i think it all really goes back to religion. religion makes people feel guilty about their "sins". we feel shame for being human. why? because some people a long time ago decided we should. probably so they could increase their power. sorry, but i don't. and you shouldn't either. the desires we have are perfectly normal. and if you can act upon them without hurting anyone, then that's OK.

this brings us back to our nation being founded on freedom. "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"... as long as it doesn't infringe on anyone else's rights.

i get head, she gets money. i'm happy, she's happy. no crime committed.

that's why i think our condemnation of prostitution is silly and, as tw put it, unamerican.

10-02-2001, 12:23 PM	#6
dave Guest Posts: n/a	well, specific to andrea, i think really the problem is that she holds sex as something sacred. which is fine. but even recently, she'd been talking about wanting to "sow my wild oats." i don't think she was talking casual sex, but it was about not being tied down. which is okay. some people just take it to the "extreme." but, like i said, they don't really. they just do it a little different. in truth, america really is about having those freedoms. they're essential. the bill of rights doesn't say "yeah yeah, americans can speak freely and shit." it says "government can't fuck with their right to speak freely." big difference. these freedoms are what america is based upon. i find it mind boggling that so many people forget them, getting locked into their own little view point. my grandfather once told me "keep an open mind" - it's the best advice i've ever gotten. it's so obvious as to warrant a response of "i know"... but yet, it's some of the best advice there is... i'm not sure if any of the posters/readers have ever seen "orgazmo". funny movie, but that's not the point. i brought it up because there's a short conversation in there that raises a good point. a woman says to ron jeremy (i'm paraphrasing here, i've only seen it once, and that was a year ago) "porn exploits women." and he says back "no, it exploits men, because it feeds on their desires." well, it's the same thing with prostitution. it's taking advantage of the man because it's feeding off one of one of the basic human instinctive NEEDS: to ejaculate in a woman's vagina (the fact that they're not actually reproducing is irrelevant - we are the way we are because we need to reproduce - the act of reproduction, i.e. ejaculating in a woman's vagina, feels good so we will do it often). i'm willing to say, however, that prostitution, at its basic form (as described above, in my earlier post), hurts no one. it is a simple "i give you money, you give me service" arrangement. it differs from having a plumber clean your pipes (no pun intended) in only two ways: 1) the actual act itself and 2) the taboo of sex we have in our society. i'm really losing my point here, but let me bring up something else interesting: i've heard it said by people, refuting my argument, that sex should only be with someone you love. says who? if you extend that, then all sex should be "making love". and therefore, we are not allowed to have any desire to fuck? so all sex must be pious, and for the express intent of procreation? i assume, then, that you do not masturbate, never use birth control and have only had sex when you and your partner were attempting to achieve conception? everyone has desires other than having "wholesome" "clean" sex. it's natural. and we're getting out of touch with who we really are. i think it all really goes back to religion. religion makes people feel guilty about their "sins". we feel shame for being human. why? because some people a long time ago decided we should. probably so they could increase their power. sorry, but i don't. and you shouldn't either. the desires we have are perfectly normal. and if you can act upon them without hurting anyone, then that's OK. this brings us back to our nation being founded on freedom. "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"... as long as it doesn't infringe on anyone else's rights. i get head, she gets money. i'm happy, she's happy. no crime committed. that's why i think our condemnation of prostitution is silly and, as tw put it, unamerican.