[gossard187]

Originally posted by tw

Actually the Delta Heavy and I believe the fifth version of Titan - both complete new designs - were developed since Challenger. Also a number of smaller rockets. In the meantime, France is into, I believe, its fifth version of Arianne - the world's most successful commerical launch vehicle.

Developed since Challenger? Anyways, Titan IV is the last of the Titan line, leading into EELV (100% success so far), a separate line that will be much cheaper. As for Arianne being the most successful, I'm not sure how you figure. These aren't the most recent numbers, but Arianne 4 was at 96%, Arriane 5 at 67% (well, 1 failure in 3 launches). Meanwhile Atlas 2 and 3 families were at 100%, Taurus 100%, and of course, the shuttle has 2 failures in, what, 95 or so launches, so thats about 98% as well.

NASA's problems are not based in NASA. They are directly traceable to government. So the many calls from White House that are suspected to have pushed for a Challenger launch for Reagan's "Teacher in Space" speech in the State of the Union address. Or function of a Space Station Freedom, also ill conceived by a White House more interested in image than in science. X-34 was necessary for that space station. But suddenly government was no longer interest in spending money now that the Cold War purpose of a Space Station was redundament.

Even Space Shuttles had no productive purpose. Disposible vehicle technology was quashed by Reagan Administration that ordered all domestic launches to be put on Space Shuttle - even though that was stupid, technically naive, and expensive. So when Challenger exploded, the US inventory for launch vehicles was almost bare. Then a Titan exploded. Then the "always works every time" Delta exploded. NSA was said to be down to
their last spy satellite because available launchers were zero.

dumping billions of dollars in the ocean and starting over every time is hardly considered productive. The main boosters and the shuttle are both reuseable, thus saving scads of money from every launch. The shuttles problem was that its so expensive to launch, but saying disposable is unproductive is strange at best.

And if that were not enough reasons to point fingers at Reagan's White House - then there was a private company in TX trying to get into the low cost launcher business. Reagan administration put the death knell into that venture as well.

Much of NASA problems are directly traceable to strategic objectives force upon it by political government officials who could not see science if it was put up their nose.

In the meantime, a science project that had serious and necessary objective - Super Collider particle accelerator in TX - was trashed by the George Sr adminstration so that money could be put into a useless Freedom Space Station.

And did we happen to mention Reagan's Hypersonic Airplane. At least when Kennedy directed this nation to great scientific accomplishments, he first made an effort to learn if it could be done. NASA is a victim of technically ignorant politicians whose legalized bribery is more important than the advancement of science. Science is what a properly directed NASA is suppose to be about - not political boondoogles and pork.

The difference between Kennedy's push and Reagan's was that Kennedy came into a white house that already had private industry advisors (thanks to Eisenhower's fear of surprise nuclear attack due to a lack of information). Kennedy's push wasn't really based on "whether it could be done", considering he caught the industry off guard by being so forceful that we WILL make it to the moon by the end of the decade (having not successfully launched a human into orbit). He felt it HAD to be done, because he was aware that beating the Soviets to the moon was the only way to save face from them being first to launch a satellite, dog, man, and woman. Meanwhile we were reeling because all of our launches were watched by the media and we kept failing.

85% of all problems are directly traceable to top mangement.

Amen. Just don't let them know I agree.