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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45
When did I say ownership was a European invention? I said the state was a European invention.
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Right here.
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Political boundries were not used by anyone outside Europe, therefore technically they did not own the land according to the Europeans. So, when Europeans colonized the area and set up politically boundaries, they got to determine who owned what land.
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Which is why I said;
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The invention of the "state" wasn't a big change, just a way to define the boundaries that had been in flux, between the Kings that owned the land. Really no different than the Caliphs/War Lords/Chiefs around the globe that owned the land.
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I don't see how that gives anyone the right to kick people that have been living there since preshistoric times. It happened, just like it happened to almost every culture in human history, but I don't buy the justification at all.
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You don't accept the history of man since prehistoric times... Hmm.
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Also, what gives the Jews anymore right to land than lets say the Aboriginals in Australia or the natives in the United States, or the Kurds in Turkey, Iraq, and Iran, Kosovo, Ossetians, and the millions of other ethnic groups that don't have a homeland? As I said, I disagree with the justifications behind it.
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The Aboriginals still live in Australia, the Indians still live in the US and the Kurds still can and do live in Turkey. Most of the others still live in the same areas unless they chose to migrate or were forcibly removed by people like Stalin. But even most of those people can now go back to the same area if they choose.
Maybe you don't approve, maybe you don't accept, or maybe you don't understand, but whichever, that's your problem because I don't think there's one nation in the whole world that gives a shit.
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Define didn't own the land.
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OWN : noun, pronoun : that which belongs to oneself
There are two ways you can own the land;
1- Legal title under the rule of law
2- Have possession and the power to retain it
Most of the world uses #2
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The Arab states or the local Arabs? Three of the five Arab states that attacked Israel in 1948 weren't even around for five years.
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States, because individuals don't have armies so they don't count. See #2 above.
The fact remains that the people living in and around Palestine have always been ruled by others... that owned the land.