[jaguar]

Ok look, this is a waste of item unless you define its purpose.
What EXACTLY would a national ID be used for. Where would it have to be shown?

If it is as broad as SSNs then it clearly is effectively mandatory, so don't try and say I’m impinging on your right to a false sense of security. You didn't address the issue of counterfeiting NationalIDs, which means you are no better of in a hopeless attempt to concrete your 'good name' than before except you've given the government another, strong tool with which to analyze your every move.

How much have our liberties been restricted? You cannot even cash a corporate payroll check at many banks unless you have sufficient funds to cover that check. More liberties lost because identity theft is so common.

My 'liberty' to cash a cheque I’d say came well, well after my liberty to move and operate in society without having every action recorded on one big database.

that person may be criminal. Honest people do not fear systems that protect them.

Oh now that's a classic line reminds me of "when encryption is illegal, only criminals will have encryption" or to quote Brave New World "what would you ever want to do in private??" To argue that you only want privacy if you have something to hide is straight out of Brave New World - you're scaring me here seriously it’s just so surreal to hear someone using those arguments in real life! Do you not with to have any privacy at all? Would you mind if the government put cameras in every room of your house - after all only criminals have anything to hide...

You seem to have forgotten the idea of privacy, you seem to be desperate to sacrifice every right you have in order to feel that little bit more secure - who cares if I live in a glass box nude as long as I feel secure....eh?

Embarrassingly obvious is that a verification system is not compromised by the non-participant. Why then would one claim an NID system could not work without mandatory participation? The erroneous claim must be made to justify the original fear. It is fear, only, of a National ID verification system that is the only reason to deny others those benefits.

Doesn't that depend on the PURPOSE of the system, what would you say that is? To purely protect your good name? You truly believe that is THE only use for it? That tracking evilevil terrorist type people (reminds me of Goldstein really) hasn’t crossed the innocent minds of whose brainchild this system is?

Reality please.

So - since the only 'liberty' that matters to you is the one of your good name, i think we can safely wipe off most of the constitution becasue hey - the government is a totally trustworth organisation that wil endevour, if it was jsut given the legal muscle to put all its effort into protecting your good name.