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I think people *can* catch on right away, if they're real enough. Some people who have ended up as fambly started out pretty rough, but still persevered and gained acceptance.
I'm not saying we're elitist or anything. Quite the opposite. However, dipshitness just doesn't fly well here for the most part. And senority? Pfft.
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