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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla
You clearly do not wish to engage on the philosophical front -- on what a government should be doing -- when you can retreat into legalisms, which are weak philosophically. This is really a discussion on the philosophy of government -- and you are up against a small-government, liberty-minded sort of chap. Now then, dare you demonstrate how much the opposite you are?
Actually, you demonstrate that very thing, at length, in every political thread you post in. Makes me wonder why you would place such value upon subadulthood, that you would argue for it so fiercely, even while occasionally disclaiming either fierceness or argument. But no -- that you are motivated in the direction of aggrandizing the state is beyond merely evident; it is dominant.
And there is neither Constitutional mandate nor any especially sensible reason to magnify the public debt, or the public sector -- as I was at pains to point out.
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When all else fails and you cant support your assertion that the health reform legislation is unconstitutional, fall back on your "sub-adult" characterization of those with whom you disagree...in and of itself, not very adult.
UG, you're a one trick pony.
As to maginfying the debt, the greatest perpetrators of that in the last 50 years were Reagan and Bush, both of whom more than doubled the national debt.
And as to aggrandizing the state, I would point you to again to the last 50 years and those accomplishments that libertarians scream are "big government, anti-freedom" and that most Americans proudly supported.
civil rights - including equal access to public accommodations and an end to workplace discrimination
cleaner and healthier environment resulting from comprehensive government regulations
medicare - providing affordable health care and extending the quality of life for millions of seniors
reducing childhood hunger
significantly reducing disease through tax payer funded medical research
enhanced consumer protections - food safety, auto safety, toys/household products, etc - through numerous regulatory controls of the "free market"
expanding opportunities for higher education to millions of kids of working families through govt subsidies
I could go on, but I dont want to overwhelm you with these anti-libertarian successes
Tell me, which of the above dont you like or believe would have been accomplished by the "free market" with little or no government intervention?
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Oh, and while I am all for support democratic movements in other countries, where in the Constitution does it suggest that the US should be "freedom fighters" or the police force of the world if the US is not facing a direct threat?