[jaguar]

Jag has now said outright that his aim here is to "shake things up", by which as far as I can see means to troll around making outrageous statements, and then enjoy the fireworks. Perhaps he fancies himself a puckish cultural guerrilla ushering in the new order. Maybe he just likes the attention, and doesn't care whether it's positive or negative. Whatever; I won't be feeding that appetite anymore here.

Before anything else it has to be said that’s a sinking pile of crap. Every statement I’ve made here that’s drawn ire I’ve backed up, I state my opinions like anyone else I never intend purely to "stir things up". My opinions often differ with many peoples here, often they agree (look at the 50 year war thread under politics for a good example.

I suppose a lot of my frustration with him arises from being led around in circles over quite a long period, trying to engage him in some earlier threads, before reading his profile and realizing he was a minor child. "My bad" on that, I suppose--the Cellar *used* to be a place where--for the most part--adult standards of discourse were maintained (with perhaps a few transient exceptions), mostly because it took a significant investment in time and energy to participate here.

Well this *minor* child (I love it) is telling you, that you are an old fart, who's opinions are worthless you are so out of touch with reality living in another age with no experience in how the world has changed. Oops I sound like you now.

I do hold clear and correct use of our language to be of great importance. Unfortunately I allowed myself to be baited about it, and Jag correctly saw it as an excellent diversion to pull the thread away from focusing on his position that "business for profit is immoral", probably because his supporting rationale for *that* was already exhausted. "Mean old Maggie is picking on me just 'cuz I'm just a kid" worked pretty well too, and a number of other folks here have taken up that refrain as well.

I've stated previously, and now again, the entire logical train of thought, if you think that your stupid comments that caused this war in the first place had nothing to do with its diversion you are either a: very stupid b: purposely ignoring the truth. You can dismiss it but it comes down to who you define your morals, so it’s a personal thing. (That applies to juju's comment too). I’m not going to deny its smartarse argument but the logic is undeniable. Even to a two faced hypocritical bitch like you. I deal with a daily basis with obnoxious people, but never someone so bigoted on the internet. Try dropping the status shit and treating people equally for a start. If you don't like my arguments, fine, if you want to call my logic baseless, prove it instead of bitching. If you want to assault my language, pick some examples and ill either concede or defend, but this politics of personal destruction is just getting on my nerves.

That Jag is 16 years old is only indirectly relevant to the standing his opinions of the morality of business. Since he's still letting his parents supply his necessitites (such as providing a roof over his head), his sneering at those who engage in business for profit as "immoral" irritates me no end. The same opinion expressed by someone older who had no need to dirty his hands with work--perhaps because he had inherited great wealth--would get up my nose just as much, for about the same reason.

That logic was originally explained to be by a 28y.o professional doing aquarial studies. I’m not SNEERING at anyone, I never said they are evil, I was merely stating a train of thought, stop adding things to what I say and take it for face value instead of reading what you want between the lines.

I love it - you'll state a pile of shit, then refuse to listen to what I have to say - entirely validating my previous argument of acting like a 5 year old. You ARE distorting what I said, I never looked own in any way on businesspeople, Christ I am one, I wish you could get past your overwhelming prejudices and see that.

Look, if anyone here, this is open, thinks every arguement i've posted is blowing smoke i'd like to hear form them ,i'm not going to agure, i've had enough, if there's more than 4 il leave, i've got better things to do with my time. The logic is simple, while i have or no doubt will butt heads over something with everyone here over time, mostly i get on with the crowd, even the usual debate suspects liek dham and honestly beleive is make a worthwhile contribution, if a decent volume think otherwise, its probably itme to move on anyway.