Otho, i'm sorry, I wasnt really responding to you, I was just piggybacking off your post so that I could add my two cents about Grav's previous post.
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Jesse LaGreca in 2012
“Seven Deadly Sins: Wealth without work, Pleasure without conscience, Science without humanity, Knowledge without character, Politics without principle, Commerce without morality, Worship without sacrifice.” – Mahatma Gandhi
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