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Originally posted by dhamsaic
Man. You're really fucking this up now.
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If you look at the context of the post from which I drew my quote, you'll notice that it was jeni, not I, who drew a parallel between the way we treat humans, and the way we treat animals. I thought it was invalid , and I was just calling her on it. It seems that you think I brought it up in the first place.
Hermit22:
Why do you think the living conditions and the whole... dying thing isn't as obviously bad for cows? Or rather, to clarify my position, why is it worse for dogs? I'll admit, that by magnitude, the treatment of fighting dogs and the cruelty of their deaths is probably, on the average, worse than cows. But not a whole lot worse.
Dham:
As far as the fact that the slaughter of cows serves some utility, I think that it's totally invalid, given that the same utility can be gained by other means. Easily. In fact, from an economic standpoint, more easily. Which leads me to beleive that 90% of what your paying for when you buy a steak is not it's nutritional value, but rather it's yummy factor.
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Where do you draw the line? Moreover, who are you to decide?
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I'm not drawing a line. What I _am_ saying, is humans have the ability to reason, and thinking about the issue as we now are enables us to draw a line for ourselves if we so choose. The very fact that we can reason means that we don't truly have a right to use our place in the food chain as an excuse to kill animals.
I'm convinced that slaughtering cows is somewhat more justifiable than raising dogs to fight. Barely, more justifiable. The utility of it is a very small factor, when you consider that we can remain just as healthy without it. The most convincing point is that people are hardened by taking enjoyment from the dog fights.
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Originally posted by hot_pastrami
This thread, I think, is some of the most convincing evidence I've seen that presenting an analogy does nothing to strengthen one's argument. When was the last time anyone convinced you of ANYTHING using an analogy? Think about it. Using an analogy to illustrate a point is like using your turn signal to tell the drivers around you that you're going to accelerate... OK, bad analogy.
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Best. Point. Ever.