Spot the fake smile

hot_pastrami · 02-09-2004, 06:15 PM

An interesting and inexplicably unsettling test to see how well you can identify a fake smile. At the end it includes an interesting description of the differences. I got 16 out of 20 correct:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbo...es/index.shtml

This is just one of a series of such tests, but I haven't had the few spare minutes to poke around the others yet:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbo..._surveys.shtml

xoxoxoBruce · 02-09-2004, 06:34 PM

15 of 20

Griff · 02-09-2004, 07:26 PM

14

juju · 02-09-2004, 08:31 PM

20 out of 20!

I had actually read about that in this book, which is about how baby's brains develop. Anyway. the gist of it is that real smiles are totally involuntary, and fake smiles are voluntary. The difference is that the muscles around the eyes move more in real smiles.

xoxoxoBruce · 02-09-2004, 08:58 PM

OK Juju, is this a real smile or not?

Riddil · 02-09-2004, 09:32 PM

Oof. 12 of 20.

But I cry shenanigans! There were some fun-kay lookin british types in those animations. *cringe*

Shocking!

Kitsune · 02-09-2004, 10:52 PM

The difference is that the muscles around the eyes move more in real smiles.

Telling Lies is a good book for understanding the muscles in the face and how to tell a fake smile or frown from a real one.

For the smiles, its generally the crow's feet at the corners of the eyes -- there is a type that is impossible to generate unless you are really smiling due to an emotion, as you can't control those muscles voluntarily. Really neat stuff, but a little frightening when you start paying attention to people in your day to day activities.

Elspode · 02-10-2004, 12:16 AM

14...I knew it was the eyes before I read the information at the end...you can just tell. Guess I wasn't as good as Juju, though. 20 large, eh? Well done!

wolf · 02-10-2004, 12:48 AM

10 of 20 ... but I blame the cheapass, cutrate, slower than a 56K modem DSL at work ... several of the clips didn't display properly so I didn't get to see them. Also, when it comes down to it, they were ALL fake. The experimental condition affects the test itself.

(But you gotta do the yucky things test ... EEEEEEEEUW!)

lumberjim · 02-10-2004, 01:01 AM

i got 18.
EDIT

I had originally linked in the pics of the two i got wrong and made very whitty comments about them. very whitty, indeed.

then my brain turned back on all by itslef, and i realized that i would foul up the scoring if i gave away the answers. Hope i dint mess you up, Whit.

Whit · 02-10-2004, 01:12 AM

      Damn, I got 19... Juju has overcome my ability to spot a false smile. Hmm... Maybe I just rushed to much...
      By the by, and correct me if I'm wrong on this, but aren't most emotions most obvious in the region of the eyes? I know if I want to know how someone is reacting to me I always reflexively look at their eyes...

lumberjim · 02-10-2004, 01:38 AM

this one is kinda cool too.

Quote:

You scored 39 out of a total of 44. Your score puts you in the highest category of social reasoning. You will see ethical and moral values as important to the needs of society and will appeal to basic rights or values. You might say "Honesty is a standard which everyone should accept" or "Life is sacred."

Conformity to ethical norms is important to you, in terms of a responsibility, obligation or commitment for all individuals, although you may be willing to consider exceptions in some particular circumstances. You are likely to suggest that with entitlement or privilege comes responsibility.

You will appeal to considerations of responsible character or integrity in others, preferring a consistent or standard practice of behaviour in order to avoid damage to social institutions such as the legal system.

However, you will want to see an adjusted case-by-case application of standards for the sake of fairness to all people. Lastly, you are very likely to appeal to standards of individual or personal conscience, as well as of honour, dignity or integrity.

yup, that;s me. especially the part where i use peoples consciences against them.

Whit · 02-10-2004, 01:55 AM

Quote:

From the test:
Without laws, people wouldn't think twice about breaking the law and there would be anarchy

      Umm ... What the? Was this a GWB quote or something?

      Anyway, I got 39, same as Jim. Not sure how I feel about that... He does work in a car dealership after all...

blue · 02-10-2004, 07:24 AM

18 out of 20. Holy crap!! I thought I'd get like 3. I never knew I had super powers.

Whit · 02-10-2004, 09:12 AM

Quote:

From Jim:
Hope i dint mess you up, Whit.

      Nope, I actually was doing the test when you posted. The one I missed was actually the same dude towards the end that you did. Of course, I spotted that fake smiling chic a mile away. The sad part was the one I thought I missed was the Asian chic. I wasn't watching for crows feet or anything, but I was less certain with her than with the others on the test. Still, got her right too.

      I just read Blue58's post. Isn't it interesting how much difference people expect? I mean I was a little disappointed that I missed one, Blue was exstatic over missing two.
      Oh yeah, and I want to take a cue from Wolf and cry foul over having an archaic computer. I didn't even know the clips were longer than two seconds for the first five people. System was to slow to show it all properly. Plus I'm to impatient to let it load completely before answering... Screw it. That dude fooled me. End of story. Bastard...

02-09-2004, 06:15 PM	#1
hot_pastrami I am meaty Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 1,119	Spot the fake smile An interesting and inexplicably unsettling test to see how well you can identify a fake smile. At the end it includes an interesting description of the differences. I got 16 out of 20 correct: http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbo...es/index.shtml This is just one of a series of such tests, but I haven't had the few spare minutes to poke around the others yet: http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbo..._surveys.shtml __________________ Hot Pastrami!

02-09-2004, 06:34 PM	#2
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	15 of 20 __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

02-09-2004, 07:26 PM	#3
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	14 __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

02-09-2004, 08:58 PM	#5
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	OK Juju, is this a real smile or not? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

02-10-2004, 12:16 AM	#8
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	14...I knew it was the eyes before I read the information at the end...you can just tell. Guess I wasn't as good as Juju, though. 20 large, eh? Well done! __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

02-09-2004, 08:31 PM	#4
juju no one of consequence Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,839	20 out of 20! I had actually read about that in this book, which is about how baby's brains develop. Anyway. the gist of it is that real smiles are totally involuntary, and fake smiles are voluntary. The difference is that the muscles around the eyes move more in real smiles.

02-09-2004, 09:32 PM	#6
Riddil Management Consultant Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 165	Oof. 12 of 20. But I cry shenanigans! There were some fun-kay lookin british types in those animations. cringe Shocking!

02-09-2004, 10:52 PM	#7
Kitsune still eats dirt Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,031	The difference is that the muscles around the eyes move more in real smiles. Telling Lies is a good book for understanding the muscles in the face and how to tell a fake smile or frown from a real one. For the smiles, its generally the crow's feet at the corners of the eyes -- there is a type that is impossible to generate unless you are really smiling due to an emotion, as you can't control those muscles voluntarily. Really neat stuff, but a little frightening when you start paying attention to people in your day to day activities.

02-10-2004, 12:48 AM	#9
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	10 of 20 ... but I blame the cheapass, cutrate, slower than a 56K modem DSL at work ... several of the clips didn't display properly so I didn't get to see them. Also, when it comes down to it, they were ALL fake. The experimental condition affects the test itself. (But you gotta do the yucky things test ... EEEEEEEEUW!) __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

02-10-2004, 01:01 AM	#10
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	i got 18. EDIT I had originally linked in the pics of the two i got wrong and made very whitty comments about them. very whitty, indeed. then my brain turned back on all by itslef, and i realized that i would foul up the scoring if i gave away the answers. Hope i dint mess you up, Whit. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan Last edited by lumberjim; 02-10-2004 at 01:18 AM.

02-10-2004, 01:12 AM	#11
Whit Umm ... yeah. Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Arkansas, USA Posts: 949	Damn, I got 19... Juju has overcome my ability to spot a false smile. Hmm... Maybe I just rushed to much...       By the by, and correct me if I'm wrong on this, but aren't most emotions most obvious in the region of the eyes? I know if I want to know how someone is reacting to me I always reflexively look at their eyes... __________________ A friend will help you move. A true friend will help you move a body.

02-10-2004, 07:24 AM	#14
blue Operations Operative Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Northern WI Posts: 739	18 out of 20. Holy crap!! I thought I'd get like 3. I never knew I had super powers. __________________ If you spot a tornado, always remember to point at it, yell "tornado!", and run like hell.

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