Who should MDs let die in a pandemic?

TheMercenary · 05-05-2008, 03:59 PM

The report is out. A group of influential doctors has made the hard choices that will have to be made in the case of a deadly pandemic.

Those out of luck are the people at high risk of death and a slim chance of long-term survival. But the recommendations get much more specific, and include:

_People older than 85.

_Those with severe trauma, which could include critical injuries from car crashes and shootings.

_Severely burned patients older than 60.

_Those with severe mental impairment, which could include advanced Alzheimer's disease.

_Those with a severe chronic disease, such as advanced heart failure, lung disease or poorly controlled diabetes.

The rest of the story is here:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080505/...8BMrL4S4hZ24cA

glatt · 05-05-2008, 04:12 PM

I'm curious about this. If you are bothering to make a list to prioritize medical resources, why not go all the way? Why not do every different category of human and make a pecking order from the top to the bottom? We know there is a pecking order at both ends. The US President officially gets the best care. At the other extreme, they're apparently gonna pull the plug on the very injured and elderly.

What about the 95% in the middle? Do we just duke it out for the respirators?

TheMercenary · 05-05-2008, 04:15 PM

Good questions. Lets think about it. Others at the top of the list.

Public servants like police, firemen, EMS.

All health care workers.

All military.

High ranking government officials, local and national.

Others?

TheMercenary · 05-05-2008, 04:16 PM

People who are screwed.

The poor in urban and rural areas.

illegal aliens (you hear that Radar!

) seriously.

The handicapped.

Anyone with long term chronic expensive illness like HIV or Hepatitis.

others?

Ibby · 05-05-2008, 05:37 PM

Women and children first!

...wait a sec...

TheMercenary · 05-05-2008, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ibram

Women and children first!

...wait a sec...

Women and children should be protected to preserve civilization. You can't breed em without the women.

xoxoxoBruce · 05-05-2008, 05:46 PM

1- Me.
2- Everybody else.

Sundae · 05-05-2008, 05:55 PM

Bruce has it.
Except that he has the wrong person on the top of the list.

piercehawkeye45 · 05-05-2008, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Women and children should be protected to preserve civilization. You can't breed em without the women.

Yes yes.

Ten women to every man.

As long as I'm one of those men....

TheMercenary · 05-05-2008, 05:57 PM

Now will they do the German Eugenics thing or the Noah and the Ark thing?

Pie · 05-05-2008, 05:58 PM

Eh, screw civilization. Join the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement. I did.

TheMercenary · 05-05-2008, 06:03 PM

"Phasing out the human race by voluntarily ceasing to breed..."

Ummmm, sure.... ummm, tell it to the Chinese, Indian's, and Mexican's.

Cloud · 05-05-2008, 06:09 PM

this seems logical to me. I'm sure triage is a heart-rending task, and perhaps having this thought out beforehand will ease the way.

Sundae · 05-05-2008, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

"Phasing out the human race by voluntarily ceasing to breed..."

Ummmm, sure.... ummm, tell it to the Chinese

You are kidding, right?
Referring to the nation that did all it could to prevent parents having more than one child?

Anyway - I have voluntarily ceased to breed.
Can I have my medal now please?

HungLikeJesus · 05-05-2008, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

"Phasing out the human race by voluntarily ceasing to breed..."

Ummmm, sure.... ummm, tell it to the Chinese, Indian's, and Mexican's.

Don't you mean "Chinese's"?

05-05-2008, 03:59 PM	#1
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Who should MDs let die in a pandemic? The report is out. A group of influential doctors has made the hard choices that will have to be made in the case of a deadly pandemic. Those out of luck are the people at high risk of death and a slim chance of long-term survival. But the recommendations get much more specific, and include: _People older than 85. _Those with severe trauma, which could include critical injuries from car crashes and shootings. _Severely burned patients older than 60. _Those with severe mental impairment, which could include advanced Alzheimer's disease. _Those with a severe chronic disease, such as advanced heart failure, lung disease or poorly controlled diabetes. The rest of the story is here: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080505/...8BMrL4S4hZ24cA __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

05-05-2008, 04:15 PM	#3
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Good questions. Lets think about it. Others at the top of the list. Public servants like police, firemen, EMS. All health care workers. All military. High ranking government officials, local and national. Others? __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

05-05-2008, 04:16 PM	#4
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	People who are screwed. The poor in urban and rural areas. illegal aliens (you hear that Radar! ) seriously. The handicapped. Anyone with long term chronic expensive illness like HIV or Hepatitis. others? __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

05-05-2008, 05:37 PM	#5
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	Women and children first! ...wait a sec... __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

05-05-2008, 05:46 PM	#7
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	"We know there is a pecking order" 1- Me. 2- Everybody else. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

05-05-2008, 04:12 PM	#2
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	I'm curious about this. If you are bothering to make a list to prioritize medical resources, why not go all the way? Why not do every different category of human and make a pecking order from the top to the bottom? We know there is a pecking order at both ends. The US President officially gets the best care. At the other extreme, they're apparently gonna pull the plug on the very injured and elderly. What about the 95% in the middle? Do we just duke it out for the respirators?

05-05-2008, 05:55 PM	#8
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	Bruce has it. Except that he has the wrong person on the top of the list. __________________ Life's hard you know, so strike a pose on a Cadillac

05-05-2008, 05:57 PM	#10
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Now will they do the German Eugenics thing or the Noah and the Ark thing? __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

05-05-2008, 05:58 PM	#11
Pie Gone and done Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 4,808	Eh, screw civilization. Join the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement. I did. __________________ per·son \ˈpər-sən\ (noun) - an ephemeral collection of small, irrational decisions The fun thing about evolution (and science in general) is that it happens whether you believe in it or not.

05-05-2008, 06:03 PM	#12
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	"Phasing out the human race by voluntarily ceasing to breed..." Ummmm, sure.... ummm, tell it to the Chinese, Indian's, and Mexican's. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

05-05-2008, 06:09 PM	#13
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	this seems logical to me. I'm sure triage is a heart-rending task, and perhaps having this thought out beforehand will ease the way. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

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