USMC Gets it Right

xoxoxoBruce · 11-18-2006, 03:46 PM

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LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- A talking Jesus doll has been turned down by the Marine Reserves' Toys for Tots program.

A Los Angeles company offered to donate 4,000 of the 1-foot-tall dolls, which quote Bible verses, for distribution to needy children this holiday season.

The battery-powered Jesus is one of several dolls manufactured by one2believe, a division of the Valencia-based Beverly Hills Teddy Bear Co., based on biblical figures. (Watch to see and hear the Bible-quoting dolls -- 1:52)

But the charity balked because of the dolls' religious nature.

Toys are donated to kids based on financial need and "we don't know anything about their background, their religious affiliations," said Bill Grein, vice president of Marine Toys for Tots Foundation, in Quantico, Virginia.

As a government entity, Marines "don't profess one religion over another," Grein said Tuesday. "We can't take a chance on sending a talking Jesus doll to a Jewish family or a Muslim family."

Michael La Roe, director of business development for both companies, said the charity's decision left him "surprised and disappointed."

"The idea was for them to be three-dimensional teaching tools for kids," La Roe said. "I believe as a churchgoing person, anyone can benefit from hearing the words of the Bible."

According to the company's Web site, the button-activated, bearded Jesus, dressed in hand-sewn cloth outfits and sandals, recites Scripture such as "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again" and "Love your neighbor as yourself." It has a $20 retail value.

Grein questioned whether children would welcome a gift designed for religious instruction.

"Kids want a gift for the holiday season that is fun," he said.

The program distributed 18 million stuffed animals, games, toy trucks and other gifts to children in 2005.

I say bravo, USMC, for doing the right thing. I also think Mr La Roe is an idiot if he truly is "surprised and disappointed".

If they want to give them away, there are literally hundreds of faith based charities that I'm sure would be glad to take them. Or they could put an ad in the paper and park a truck at some parking lot, letting people that want them, come for them.

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Happy Monkey · 11-18-2006, 04:07 PM

Not anymore. Though it seems they're handling it well; sending the dolls to the groups that wrote in to complain.

xoxoxoBruce · 11-18-2006, 04:24 PM

I wonder if Mr La Roe knew they would be rejected and give him free publicity? Seems to me that if they are getting all these requests from all over the world, there is no need for the Marines to be involved at all, now.

Flint · 11-18-2006, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

I wonder if Mr La Roe knew they would be rejected and give him free publicity? Seems to me that if they are getting all these requests from all over the world, there is no need for the Marines to be involved at all, now.

Oh! Now I understand his "surprised and disappointed" response. Sneaky fucker, using the media to turn religion into money.

zippyt · 11-18-2006, 05:09 PM

In boot camp they told us there is NO black and white , just dark green and light green

xoxoxoBruce · 11-18-2006, 08:25 PM

I thought it was Gunny and the rest of you scum sucking dogs.

footfootfoot · 11-18-2006, 09:32 PM

I'm a little bummed out by this reverse, though I can see the expedience of not wanting to waste time fielding calls...

11-18-2006, 09:58 PM

Strange how so many just cannot understand the separation of church and state.
Lot of very slow people out there.

wolf · 11-19-2006, 12:53 AM

Okay, someone 'splain this to me all slow like ... you're not allowed to donate a toy Jesus to celebrate his "birthday" ... am I getting this properly?

bluecuracao · 11-19-2006, 01:52 AM

I'm guessing it's because the Santa Claus, present-giving version of Christmas is not considered religious...but I'm a little confused, too.

Clodfobble · 11-19-2006, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf

Okay, someone 'splain this to me all slow like ... you're not allowed to donate a toy Jesus to celebrate his "birthday" ... am I getting this properly?

In theory they're giving presents for the "holiday season," including Hannukkah, et al.

xoxoxoBruce · 11-19-2006, 10:27 AM

The reality is there are two Christmases, the religious and the secular. The secular, although originating from the religious celebration, is capable of standing on it's own and would continue without Christians.

I think it's important to keep them separate simply to keep the politically correct from corrupting the religious holiday and the religious holiday from imposing on others.
The government (marines) should not be involved with the religious one.

Flint · 11-19-2006, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf

... you're not allowed to donate a toy Jesus to celebrate his "birthday" ...

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

The reality is there are two Christmases, the religious and the secular.

And the "religious" Christmas is not a Christian holiday, it's a Pagan holiday. (You all know this, of course?)

I wonder why Halloween catches shit for being a "devil worshipping" celebration, but Christmas isn't treated equally?

wolf · 11-19-2006, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

And the "religious" Christmas is not a Christian holiday, it's a Pagan holiday. (You all know this, of course?)

The root of Holiday is "Holy," after all.

Yule is a Pagan Holiday.

Christmas is Christ's Mass. Yes, the date was chosen because of proximity to the night of Yule, (or possibly the feast day of the God Mithras) and the seculrized elements, the tree, holly, misseltoe, and giving of presents are essentially Pagan, but the celebration of the Birth of Jesus, whether they located it in April or December, is a decidely Christian festival.

Pagan themes run through the secularized versions of the other Christian Holidays as well. Candlemas = Imbolc, Easter = Ostara, Samhain = All Saints and All Souls Days, and so on, but as celebrated by Christians, they are days of Christian Worship.

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I wonder why Halloween catches shit for being a "devil worshipping" celebration, but Christmas isn't treated equally?

In some strict Christian Churches, it is. The Puritans didn't celebrate Christmas, as such, and according to a friend of mine, in the early days of the United States, unless it fell on a Sunday, December 25th was an ordinary day of business in the United States, including Congress convening for session.

Very detailed text only page about the History of Christmas

Happy Monkey · 11-19-2006, 10:39 AM

Bob...

11-18-2006, 04:07 PM	#2
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Not anymore. Though it seems they're handling it well; sending the dolls to the groups that wrote in to complain. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

11-18-2006, 04:24 PM	#3
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	I wonder if Mr La Roe knew they would be rejected and give him free publicity? Seems to me that if they are getting all these requests from all over the world, there is no need for the Marines to be involved at all, now. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

11-18-2006, 05:09 PM	#5
zippyt LONG LIVE KING ZIPPY! per Feetz Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Arkansas Posts: 7,661	In boot camp they told us there is NO black and white , just dark green and light green __________________ "Success is getting what you want. Happiness is wanting what you get. " Brother Dave Gardner

11-18-2006, 08:25 PM	#6
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	I thought it was Gunny and the rest of you scum sucking dogs. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

11-18-2006, 09:32 PM	#7
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	I'm a little bummed out by this reverse, though I can see the expedience of not wanting to waste time fielding calls... __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

11-18-2006, 09:58 PM	#8
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Strange how so many just cannot understand the separation of church and state. Lot of very slow people out there.

11-19-2006, 12:53 AM	#9
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Okay, someone 'splain this to me all slow like ... you're not allowed to donate a toy Jesus to celebrate his "birthday" ... am I getting this properly? __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

11-19-2006, 01:52 AM	#10
bluecuracao in a mood, not cupcake Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,034	I'm guessing it's because the Santa Claus, present-giving version of Christmas is not considered religious...but I'm a little confused, too.

11-19-2006, 10:27 AM	#12
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	The reality is there are two Christmases, the religious and the secular. The secular, although originating from the religious celebration, is capable of standing on it's own and would continue without Christians. I think it's important to keep them separate simply to keep the politically correct from corrupting the religious holiday and the religious holiday from imposing on others. The government (marines) should not be involved with the religious one. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

11-19-2006, 10:39 AM	#15
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Bob... __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

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