Rants about China

morie · 01-25-2008, 10:55 AM

I went to China and taught English for 2 years. I had a harrowing experience and wrote it all down. Check it out in my new book, Rants about China, www.rantsaboutchina.page.tl

I recommend it for anyone thinking about going to china for a long stay or doing business with the Chinese.

Morie

lookout123 · 01-25-2008, 10:56 AM

7 months and 42 posts. that is possibly the longest lead up to spammage evar.

ZenGum · 01-25-2008, 11:37 AM

At what point does spamamge become a legitimate dwellar telling us about their new production?

I guess it depends on how much the poster has contributed in other areas (post count, time spent, and quality of posts), but also on whether the sale is mentioned once in an appropriate place, or shouted loudly in inappropriate threads.

On the latter criterion, I'm cool with this particular thread talking about his new book, but on the former criteria.... hmmmmmmmmm I'm not too sure.

EDIT: Just saw the other thread about the same item from a slightly different angle.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm.

seems a bit excessive.

xoxoxoBruce · 01-25-2008, 11:47 AM

I'll let this one slide for

Quote:

I guess it depends on how much the poster has contributed in other areas (post count, time spent, and quality of posts), but also on whether the sale is mentioned once in an appropriate place, or shouted loudly in inappropriate threads.

However, the second, duplicate, thread in Relationships has been deleted.

lookout123 · 01-25-2008, 11:51 AM

I'm telling you guys you have to be careful. I've spent nearly 4 years and 6,000+ posts just lulling you guys into a sense of security. Pretty soon I'm going to start hitting you all up for the financial services that I provide. Just when you least expect it.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if LJ is doing the same thing. One day he's just going to start dropping car ads into his signature line. 10,000 posts? Just a part of the ploy.

glatt · 01-25-2008, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by lookout123

I'm telling you guys you have to be careful. I've spent nearly 4 years and 6,000+ posts just lulling you guys into a sense of security. Pretty soon I'm going to start hitting you all up for the financial services that I provide. Just when you least expect it.

Too late. You had already advised Dwellars to get into a more conservative and defensive position in their 401Ks just before the market took a dive. Giving away the good ideas for free that time.

Flint · 01-25-2008, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Flint

I see how you operate.

Joining up on 01-26-2006 and then posting 8.70 times per day, pretending to be a nice, regular boardie, and then... blasting us with your "chutney from my dad's farm" spam! Next time just call yourself *~cHuTnEy4sAle~* so we know who we're dealing with up front! Damn chutney salespersons.

lookout123 · 01-25-2008, 11:59 AM

what kind of pompous ass quotes themself? oh, nevermind.

Flint · 01-25-2008, 12:04 PM

You just watch yourself. We're wanted men. I have the death sentence on twelve systems.

lookout123 · 01-25-2008, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flint

You just watch yourself. We're wanted men. I have the death sentence on twelve systems.

I'll be careful.

Nah, Glatt I didn't advise anything. That was just a sharing of my thoughts. If I had been advising you all, anyone who chose to ignore that idea would have been forced to sign a document saying they are choosing to ignore my advice of their own free will and they cannot hold me responsible for the results.

Case, I didn't read the rant, mainly cuz I just don't care that much. I wasn't really busting on Morie for spammage, just being a smartass. In truth, I think some of you should more actively let dwellars know what you do. Your art, Morie's writing, Smoothmoniker's music, etc. You all create a tangible item that can be enjoyed by dwellars. As long as you aren't plastering ads saying "buy this from me" in the cellar I think it is cool. I don't create anything. I get paid for providing a service, so if I started directing you all to my website that would definitely be spammage and should be deleted by Sir xoB. IMO.

Flint · 01-25-2008, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flint

You just watch yourself. We're wanted men. I have the death sentence on twelve systems.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lookout123

I'll be careful.

. . . You'll be dead!!!

lookout123 · 01-25-2008, 02:27 PM

Come this little one is not worth the trouble.

kerosene · 01-25-2008, 04:39 PM

Thank you, LO. It is good to know that when I post about art, I am not annoying the crap out of everyone.

I appreciate when you give financial advice, also.

monster · 01-25-2008, 08:52 PM

I thinks it's fine -in one thread. I remember morie's comments in other threads on various topics and not pushing stuff so I think they've earned the right to blow their own trumpet. It is a vanity publication or a real book deal? Seems an odd title (to the point, but not a "grabber").

eta: as far as I can tell it's just a blog.....

slang · 02-02-2008, 05:37 PM

Hi Morie,

What a great read your rant is.

I married a Filipino woman and am currently living in Makati, Philippines.

Here are some comments that I have that may relate to China/Chinese:

1. Trash. It's everywhere but the very newest and richest parts of the city. I once thought that there should be more trash recepticals here and that people would use them, you know, common sense. WRONG. Even when there are all sorts of places to neatly dispose of trash it gets dropped right where a person decides that they don't need it anymore. It's sad, and not just a Chinese trait.

2. Spitting. Sure, it's very common here too. I've seen more than a few attractive women here spit on the street. I've not seen anyone spit in a restaurant or a bus though. Those photos of the inside of the bus were a good indicator. Wow.

3. Corruption. Yes, it's here too. I was skeptical that it was as widespread as described by my in-laws but they were right. It's a part of life here from the cops to the city council.

4. Toilets. They are not nearly as bad here from your description. Most of the public toilets are staffed by someone that collects a fee for cleaning them. I've not seen any of the squat type units here either. That's not to say that it's heaven on earth dumping here but it's not as bad as there. This is the premiere Philippine city though.

5. Relatives. This is where our experiences separate. My in-laws have never asked anything, muchless demanded or schemed to get money or goods out of me. When I can I help them out. They are very polite and humble people and they seem to respect me even when I don't have the cash for their special project. This is not to say that I walk on water here but that they genuinely appreciate what I do for them and they don't complain or cry when I cannot do something for them. Many times I can't It's not used as a weapon against me.

My FIL often gives me the remote when he's not following a particular TV show too.

6. Personal neatness/cleanliness. Things are just the opposite here for me. Washing dishes and keeping clothes clean is what my mother in law's job in life is here. It's the measure of her effectiveness as a woman of the house. She cooks, cleans, washes and scrubs to make everything in the kitchen and in the house clean. She does a fabulous job and I appreciate that very much.

7. Lying, cheating, stealing. I've not run into a lot of that here. What you say about everyone automatically assuming that if you are a westerner that you shit money is exactly on target.

I'm "common folk" here. We don't have a car here and I don't have a lot of status type items that I rub into everyone's face. For the most part, I've made some friends outside of the family and people are polite and respectful...at least when I'm there in front of them.

After reading all the details of your horrible experience, my desire to go there is less than what it was before. There is another ex-pat living there working as a software engineer with stories that are not as detailed as yours but putting the society there in a bad light.

Keep us posted when it's published. It is a book right? This is the condensed version?

01-25-2008, 10:55 AM	#1
morie Mystical Miscreant Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 46	Rants about China I went to China and taught English for 2 years. I had a harrowing experience and wrote it all down. Check it out in my new book, Rants about China, www.rantsaboutchina.page.tl I recommend it for anyone thinking about going to china for a long stay or doing business with the Chinese. Morie Last edited by morie; 01-25-2008 at 11:00 AM.

01-25-2008, 10:56 AM	#2
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	7 months and 42 posts. that is possibly the longest lead up to spammage evar. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

01-25-2008, 11:37 AM	#3
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	At what point does spamamge become a legitimate dwellar telling us about their new production? I guess it depends on how much the poster has contributed in other areas (post count, time spent, and quality of posts), but also on whether the sale is mentioned once in an appropriate place, or shouted loudly in inappropriate threads. On the latter criterion, I'm cool with this particular thread talking about his new book, but on the former criteria.... hmmmmmmmmm I'm not too sure. EDIT: Just saw the other thread about the same item from a slightly different angle. Hmmmmmmmmmmm. seems a bit excessive. __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

01-25-2008, 11:51 AM	#5
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	I'm telling you guys you have to be careful. I've spent nearly 4 years and 6,000+ posts just lulling you guys into a sense of security. Pretty soon I'm going to start hitting you all up for the financial services that I provide. Just when you least expect it. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if LJ is doing the same thing. One day he's just going to start dropping car ads into his signature line. 10,000 posts? Just a part of the ploy. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

01-25-2008, 11:59 AM	#8
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	what kind of pompous ass quotes themself? oh, nevermind. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

01-25-2008, 12:04 PM	#9
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	You just watch yourself. We're wanted men. I have the death sentence on twelve systems. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

01-25-2008, 02:27 PM	#12
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	Come this little one is not worth the trouble. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

01-25-2008, 04:39 PM	#13
kerosene Touring the facilities Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The plains of Colorado Posts: 3,476	Thank you, LO. It is good to know that when I post about art, I am not annoying the crap out of everyone. I appreciate when you give financial advice, also.

01-25-2008, 08:52 PM	#14
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	I thinks it's fine -in one thread. I remember morie's comments in other threads on various topics and not pushing stuff so I think they've earned the right to blow their own trumpet. It is a vanity publication or a real book deal? Seems an odd title (to the point, but not a "grabber"). eta: as far as I can tell it's just a blog..... __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

02-02-2008, 05:37 PM	#15
slang St Petersburg, Florida Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,423	Hi Morie, What a great read your rant is. I married a Filipino woman and am currently living in Makati, Philippines. Here are some comments that I have that may relate to China/Chinese: 1. Trash. It's everywhere but the very newest and richest parts of the city. I once thought that there should be more trash recepticals here and that people would use them, you know, common sense. WRONG. Even when there are all sorts of places to neatly dispose of trash it gets dropped right where a person decides that they don't need it anymore. It's sad, and not just a Chinese trait. 2. Spitting. Sure, it's very common here too. I've seen more than a few attractive women here spit on the street. I've not seen anyone spit in a restaurant or a bus though. Those photos of the inside of the bus were a good indicator. Wow. 3. Corruption. Yes, it's here too. I was skeptical that it was as widespread as described by my in-laws but they were right. It's a part of life here from the cops to the city council. 4. Toilets. They are not nearly as bad here from your description. Most of the public toilets are staffed by someone that collects a fee for cleaning them. I've not seen any of the squat type units here either. That's not to say that it's heaven on earth dumping here but it's not as bad as there. This is the premiere Philippine city though. 5. Relatives. This is where our experiences separate. My in-laws have never asked anything, muchless demanded or schemed to get money or goods out of me. When I can I help them out. They are very polite and humble people and they seem to respect me even when I don't have the cash for their special project. This is not to say that I walk on water here but that they genuinely appreciate what I do for them and they don't complain or cry when I cannot do something for them. Many times I can't It's not used as a weapon against me. My FIL often gives me the remote when he's not following a particular TV show too. 6. Personal neatness/cleanliness. Things are just the opposite here for me. Washing dishes and keeping clothes clean is what my mother in law's job in life is here. It's the measure of her effectiveness as a woman of the house. She cooks, cleans, washes and scrubs to make everything in the kitchen and in the house clean. She does a fabulous job and I appreciate that very much. 7. Lying, cheating, stealing. I've not run into a lot of that here. What you say about everyone automatically assuming that if you are a westerner that you shit money is exactly on target. I'm "common folk" here. We don't have a car here and I don't have a lot of status type items that I rub into everyone's face. For the most part, I've made some friends outside of the family and people are polite and respectful...at least when I'm there in front of them. After reading all the details of your horrible experience, my desire to go there is less than what it was before. There is another ex-pat living there working as a software engineer with stories that are not as detailed as yours but putting the society there in a bad light. Keep us posted when it's published. It is a book right? This is the condensed version?

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