Interesting graphs and charts department - Page 45

Happy Monkey · 04-01-2014, 03:29 PM

Apparently, the number is now 7,041,000. The problem with an unlabled Y-Axis (which, I'll mention again, FOX did correct later), is that since that number is still less than the number they have for the goal (7,066,000), they could use exactly the same graphic, with the same bar sizes, even though the difference is now 25,000 instead of 1,066,000.

Sundae · 04-01-2014, 04:38 PM

Sorry, HM.
It's not just the chart I don't understand, it's what it is actually referring to in the first place.

I take it it's a bad thing that less people have "signed up"? But I thought Obamacare was about social healthcare, so wouldn't a right wing media mouthpiece like Faux news be in favour of only! 6m people?

Don't feel the need to reply if it's complicated.
I have a better than average (British) grasp of American politics and current affairs, but that's not saying much.
So I admit my complete ignorance of Obamacare.
I get much of my real American education here, and I've deliberately avoided the threads that refer to it, after getting annoyed at criticisms of the NHS. Which you're only allowed to bitch about when you pay for it

Happy Monkey · 04-01-2014, 04:51 PM

They are citing the failure to reach expectations as an example of the law not working, and exaggerating the amount it fell short to exaggerate how much it failed to work.

This number isn't the number of people getting subsidies; it's the number who enrolled in private insurance using the Federal and state exchanges. Not all of them got subsidies, and many who would have needed subsidies were put in Medicare instead. So, on a more "conservative vs liberal" axis, they would have wanted a low number for "Medicare enrollees and subsidized private enrollees". This was on an "Republicans vs Obamacare" axis - they want few people to sign up so they can call the law a failure and have a bunch of people who have to pay the penalty for not signing up, who can be used in ads a year from now (when the penalty is due).

Clodfobble · 04-01-2014, 04:52 PM

Fox wishes to celebrate the "failure" of the President (from the opposing party) falling short of his goal. (Which he didn't actually do.)

Griff · 04-02-2014, 07:02 AM

As far as being "social" goes this is the farthest thing from it. People are being forced to purchase health care from private companys. It's a conservative idea pushed through by the left. It has positive effects on who gets covered but...

xoxoxoBruce · 04-05-2014, 01:16 AM

New York Public Library has over 20,000 maps... now you do to.

Gravdigr · 04-21-2014, 08:51 AM

Nobody lives here.

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from mapsbynik.com

glatt · 04-21-2014, 08:55 AM

Looks like a map of mountains and deserts. With some black fly habitat thrown in for fun.

xoxoxoBruce · 04-21-2014, 11:39 AM

A lot of it is Federal Land, especially in the west.

Clodfobble · 04-21-2014, 12:29 PM

That's true, every state and national park is going to have tons of people in it every day and even nightly, but no one technically "lives" there.

Gravdigr · 04-24-2014, 04:49 PM

It says "Most Popular Athlete by State", according to Google search queries. Maybe not most popular, but most "Who the hell is Andrew Wiggins?".

Left it big so ya can see the names:

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Happy Monkey · 04-24-2014, 07:40 PM

Andrew Wiggins is the Xenocide.

Spexxvet · 04-26-2014, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Andrew Wiggins is the Xenocide.

Yeah. His teammates had better nick name him Ender.

Griff · 04-26-2014, 11:28 AM

What's weird is I didn't think anyone followed basketball anymore...

Gravdigr · 04-26-2014, 04:57 PM

In Kentucky and Kansas??????

Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.

04-01-2014, 03:29 PM	#661
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Apparently, the number is now 7,041,000. The problem with an unlabled Y-Axis (which, I'll mention again, FOX did correct later), is that since that number is still less than the number they have for the goal (7,066,000), they could use exactly the same graphic, with the same bar sizes, even though the difference is now 25,000 instead of 1,066,000. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

04-01-2014, 04:38 PM	#662
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	Sorry, HM. It's not just the chart I don't understand, it's what it is actually referring to in the first place. I take it it's a bad thing that less people have "signed up"? But I thought Obamacare was about social healthcare, so wouldn't a right wing media mouthpiece like Faux news be in favour of only! 6m people? Don't feel the need to reply if it's complicated. I have a better than average (British) grasp of American politics and current affairs, but that's not saying much. So I admit my complete ignorance of Obamacare. I get much of my real American education here, and I've deliberately avoided the threads that refer to it, after getting annoyed at criticisms of the NHS. Which you're only allowed to bitch about when you pay for it __________________ Life's hard you know, so strike a pose on a Cadillac

04-01-2014, 04:51 PM	#663
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	They are citing the failure to reach expectations as an example of the law not working, and exaggerating the amount it fell short to exaggerate how much it failed to work. This number isn't the number of people getting subsidies; it's the number who enrolled in private insurance using the Federal and state exchanges. Not all of them got subsidies, and many who would have needed subsidies were put in Medicare instead. So, on a more "conservative vs liberal" axis, they would have wanted a low number for "Medicare enrollees and subsidized private enrollees". This was on an "Republicans vs Obamacare" axis - they want few people to sign up so they can call the law a failure and have a bunch of people who have to pay the penalty for not signing up, who can be used in ads a year from now (when the penalty is due). __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

04-01-2014, 04:52 PM	#664
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Fox wishes to celebrate the "failure" of the President (from the opposing party) falling short of his goal. (Which he didn't actually do.) __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

04-02-2014, 07:02 AM	#665
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	As far as being "social" goes this is the farthest thing from it. People are being forced to purchase health care from private companys. It's a conservative idea pushed through by the left. It has positive effects on who gets covered but... __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

04-05-2014, 01:16 AM	#666
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	New York Public Library has over 20,000 maps... now you do to. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

04-21-2014, 08:51 AM	#667
Gravdigr The Un-Tuckian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: South Central...KY that is Posts: 39,517	Nobody lives here. from mapsbynik.com __________________ These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA, EPA, FBI, DEA, CDC, or FDIC. These statements are not intended to diagnose, cause, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. If you feel you have been harmed/offended by, or, disagree with any of the above statements or images, please feel free to fuck right off.

04-21-2014, 08:55 AM	#668
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	Looks like a map of mountains and deserts. With some black fly habitat thrown in for fun.

04-21-2014, 11:39 AM	#669
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	A lot of it is Federal Land, especially in the west. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

04-21-2014, 12:29 PM	#670
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	That's true, every state and national park is going to have tons of people in it every day and even nightly, but no one technically "lives" there. __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

04-24-2014, 04:49 PM	#671
Gravdigr The Un-Tuckian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: South Central...KY that is Posts: 39,517	It says "Most Popular Athlete by State", according to Google search queries. Maybe not most popular, but most "Who the hell is Andrew Wiggins?". Left it big so ya can see the names: __________________ These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA, EPA, FBI, DEA, CDC, or FDIC. These statements are not intended to diagnose, cause, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. If you feel you have been harmed/offended by, or, disagree with any of the above statements or images, please feel free to fuck right off.

04-24-2014, 07:40 PM	#672
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Andrew Wiggins is the Xenocide. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

04-26-2014, 11:28 AM	#674
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	What's weird is I didn't think anyone followed basketball anymore... __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

04-26-2014, 04:57 PM	#675
Gravdigr The Un-Tuckian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: South Central...KY that is Posts: 39,517	In Kentucky and Kansas?????? Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit. __________________ These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA, EPA, FBI, DEA, CDC, or FDIC. These statements are not intended to diagnose, cause, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. If you feel you have been harmed/offended by, or, disagree with any of the above statements or images, please feel free to fuck right off.

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