Now for something Duplicitous! Morals!

footfootfoot · 10-24-2016, 09:44 AM

IF I had two faces, would I be wearing this one?

It's easy to get bogged down in minutiae, but in the bigger picture, the really big picture, where are our country's morals?

abortion, affairs, chromatic lives matter, etc are all tiny details that add up to form the whole.

The late Maezumi Roshi once asked a student who was working on remodeling the Zendo how the project was coming along, "It's basically finished except for a few details." The student said.

Perplexed, Maezumi looked at him and said, "But details are all there are."

Civilizations and fish rot from the head down, as the saying goes, all we have to do is look to the heads of our country to get a sense of where we are going and why we are in this handbasket.

classicman · 10-24-2016, 12:50 PM

You're deplorable!

Griff · 10-25-2016, 07:09 AM

It appears you have a chance to vote against the culture (represented by Trump) and the government (represented by Hillary) but that won't really change the myriad details of what we're getting wrong.

classicman · 10-25-2016, 08:21 AM

Hopefully we'll have better choices in the future. My optimism is pretty low right now, but still that is my hope. Gun to my head, I'd have to vote for Hillary in a two way race - shes a far more accomplished liar, thief and cheat than Trump could even hope to be. Oh, that and she has ice-water running through her veins.

Beest · 10-25-2016, 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by classicman

- shes a far more accomplished liar, thief and cheat than Trump could even hope to be. Oh, that and she has ice-water running through her veins.

LOL, that's an endorsement right there, her only problem is that she doesn't have a charming personality to cover it up, like many famous and beloved Presidents.

Clodfobble · 10-25-2016, 10:53 AM

I hope Evan McMullin wins Utah, because the symbolism would be fantastic. And I hope the Republican Party implodes. They deserve it. Comedian Rob Delaney raised a whole bunch of money for the opponents in races where the Republican candidate denounced Trump only AFTER "grab them by the pussy." His theory was, you absolutely knew this was who Trump was, and you don't get to save yourself now. Dance with the one that brung you.

footfootfoot · 10-25-2016, 09:37 PM

Trump shows the degree to which the republican party can deceive itself. All the complex justifications and interpretations while failing to note the huge glaring problem of his being a sociopath who has no impulse control, among other notable faults.

The import thing for any remaining Trump fans out there to remember is that I can detest Trump without it automatically meaning Hillary is the bee's knees. It's possible for him to be wrong without her being right. But black and white is how conservatives tend to see the world.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...olitical-wars/

https://www.edge.org/conversation/jo...ote-republican

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/06/op...ald-trump.html

captainhook455 · 10-26-2016, 07:20 PM

I am on a biker forum too. Yes only two. This one and that one. They too have a Trump/Clitery thread. I mostly lurk on these. Just from the language I can tell that I am dealing with upper class educated people. Here I am middle class retired. My wife and I are comfortable. Did you ever notice bald men don't run for president? Both candidates dye their hair. Why does Clitery get that goonie smile on her face when Trump speaks? Any man knows that was locker room talk on the bus. Coulda used the "c" word instead of the "p" word.
Then the poor porn star is insulted. She just got a Golden Dildo award in Las Vegas for the best getting it up the azz movie. Clitery wants to raise taxes. Thats an answer. Make pot legal and tax that.

tarheel

footfootfoot · 10-26-2016, 10:28 PM

They are both disasters, but I think the prevailing logic is go with the devil you know, I'm ready to vote for the Mormon ex-spook just because he's not either of the two of them.

xoxoxoBruce · 10-26-2016, 11:18 PM

My phone has been ringing off the hook, and my mailman is getting a hernia, but I'm holding out for the cash bribes.

sexobon · 10-26-2016, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by footfootfoot

... I think the prevailing logic is go with the devil you know, ...

That's been hit and miss in the past. It may be better to go with the one who would be easiest to put out of office when so desired. There'll be a VP to fall back on.

classicman · 10-27-2016, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by footfootfoot

The import thing to remember is that I can detest Trump (Hillary)without it automatically meaning Hillary (Trump) is the bee's knees. It's possible for him (her) to be wrong without her (him) being right. But black and white is how PARTISANS tend to see the world.

ftfy

footfootfoot · 10-27-2016, 03:15 PM

Thanks. It takes a cellar to make a post,

Partisan seems like orthodoxy (orth + correct doxa idea) Everyone is orthodox because everyone believes their ideas are right!

I love this election.

monster · 10-27-2016, 04:36 PM

Partisan is good if it's fresh, but the dried stuff smells like vomit.

Griff · 10-30-2016, 03:44 PM

Too be fair it is mostly sawdust.

10-24-2016, 09:44 AM	#1
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	Now for something Duplicitous! Morals! IF I had two faces, would I be wearing this one? It's easy to get bogged down in minutiae, but in the bigger picture, the really big picture, where are our country's morals? abortion, affairs, chromatic lives matter, etc are all tiny details that add up to form the whole. The late Maezumi Roshi once asked a student who was working on remodeling the Zendo how the project was coming along, "It's basically finished except for a few details." The student said. Perplexed, Maezumi looked at him and said, "But details are all there are." Civilizations and fish rot from the head down, as the saying goes, all we have to do is look to the heads of our country to get a sense of where we are going and why we are in this handbasket. __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

10-24-2016, 12:50 PM	#2
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	You're deplorable! __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

10-25-2016, 07:09 AM	#3
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	It appears you have a chance to vote against the culture (represented by Trump) and the government (represented by Hillary) but that won't really change the myriad details of what we're getting wrong. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

10-25-2016, 08:21 AM	#4
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Hopefully we'll have better choices in the future. My optimism is pretty low right now, but still that is my hope. Gun to my head, I'd have to vote for Hillary in a two way race - shes a far more accomplished liar, thief and cheat than Trump could even hope to be. Oh, that and she has ice-water running through her veins. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

10-25-2016, 10:53 AM	#6
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	I hope Evan McMullin wins Utah, because the symbolism would be fantastic. And I hope the Republican Party implodes. They deserve it. Comedian Rob Delaney raised a whole bunch of money for the opponents in races where the Republican candidate denounced Trump only AFTER "grab them by the pussy." His theory was, you absolutely knew this was who Trump was, and you don't get to save yourself now. Dance with the one that brung you. __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

10-25-2016, 09:37 PM	#7
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	Trump shows the degree to which the republican party can deceive itself. All the complex justifications and interpretations while failing to note the huge glaring problem of his being a sociopath who has no impulse control, among other notable faults. The import thing for any remaining Trump fans out there to remember is that I can detest Trump without it automatically meaning Hillary is the bee's knees. It's possible for him to be wrong without her being right. But black and white is how conservatives tend to see the world. https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...olitical-wars/ https://www.edge.org/conversation/jo...ote-republican http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/06/op...ald-trump.html __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

10-26-2016, 07:20 PM	#8
captainhook455 Rapscallion Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 1,357	I am on a biker forum too. Yes only two. This one and that one. They too have a Trump/Clitery thread. I mostly lurk on these. Just from the language I can tell that I am dealing with upper class educated people. Here I am middle class retired. My wife and I are comfortable. Did you ever notice bald men don't run for president? Both candidates dye their hair. Why does Clitery get that goonie smile on her face when Trump speaks? Any man knows that was locker room talk on the bus. Coulda used the "c" word instead of the "p" word. Then the poor porn star is insulted. She just got a Golden Dildo award in Las Vegas for the best getting it up the azz movie. Clitery wants to raise taxes. Thats an answer. Make pot legal and tax that. tarheel

10-26-2016, 10:28 PM	#9
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	They are both disasters, but I think the prevailing logic is go with the devil you know, I'm ready to vote for the Mormon ex-spook just because he's not either of the two of them. __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

10-26-2016, 11:18 PM	#10
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	My phone has been ringing off the hook, and my mailman is getting a hernia, but I'm holding out for the cash bribes. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

10-27-2016, 03:15 PM	#13
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	Thanks. It takes a cellar to make a post, Partisan seems like orthodoxy (orth + correct doxa idea) Everyone is orthodox because everyone believes their ideas are right! I love this election. __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs Last edited by footfootfoot; 10-27-2016 at 03:23 PM.

10-27-2016, 04:36 PM	#14
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	Partisan is good if it's fresh, but the dried stuff smells like vomit. __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

10-30-2016, 03:44 PM	#15
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Too be fair it is mostly sawdust. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

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