Merc - Wtf?

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Trilby

I still don't get how you, a committed liberal with waaaaaay socialist views, got to be so tight with a man so completely opposite in his views.

Ah, this seems to be the crux of the Cellars ills... and the country's ills.
Political philosophy, left or right, my way is the right way, your way is the highway. This is what I am and how I live my life.

Well you know what, thats bullshit. Nobody does that, nobody. How you feel about any subject doesn't stem from left or right. It's always personal experiences of you, friends, or family, that cause your opinion. Most people forget they have an opinion, not the answer.

I have two friends. One is a hard right Teapublican, the other is a don't care/don't vote. Occasionally the Teapublican and I argue politics, while the other guy rolls his eyes. But we are still friends, because there's a whole lot more to people and life, than religion and politics.

I've always been an opinionated motherfucker, suspicious but curious about people who are different. The Cellar has exposed me to a shitload of people who are different, to say the least. But like soylent green, it's people.

We have things we share in common, and things we disagree on, but most interesting is why. What in your life caused your opinion to differ from mine. You people have certainly caused me to change my opinion on some things, and reinforced my opinion on others.
I thank you for that... and the boobs.

(I'm not singling out Trilby, she just happen to state what I think is a/the problem with much of the world.)

[Undertoad]

I had a thread where I specifically asked people to insult me.

[DanaC]

As I recall it was a very popular thread...:p

[footfootfoot]

Originally Posted by Trilby

I'll tell ya what, foot. If MaggieL ever comes back I'll pink pistol her to fucking Moonrise Kingdom with her own damn pistol!

then I shall laff at her and her best friend, the straw man whom I shall slowly and methodically burn to death in a sinister and delightful s'morish kind of way.

Howzat?

Sounds great to me. If rkzenrage comes back can you take care of him too?

Originally Posted by Pico and ME

Seriously, Foot, to whine about the whiners is just as bad.

Hi Pico! Where have you been hiding? Was I whining about whiners, or are you just saying? I guess one could opacity to my list of shortcomings.

[sexobon]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

I had a thread where I specifically asked people to insult me.

We're just too darn sophisticated and worldly to confine our insults to any one thread. We have to outsult each other across all of them.

[classicman]

FWIW - none of the other generous people here were the subject of this thread. Several of them have done much for me personally as well. However, if you want to take those others like Jim, Big V, Bruce etc. and equate them and their actions to those of Merc. All I have to say is thank you, you proved my point for me. Unfortunately, instead of reflecting upon what I tried to say, you, as usual, chose to point fingers. Sad, but typical.

Lookout & Bruce, as usual, were far better in expressing much of what I tried to convey last night.

[xoxoxoBruce]

You were just wound up... and your father smelt of elderberries.

[Trilby]

Originally Posted by classicman

FWIW - none of the other generous people here were the subject of this thread. Several of them have done much for me personally as well. However, if you want to take those others like Jim, Big V, Bruce etc. and equate them and their actions to those of Merc. All I have to say is thank you, you proved my point for me. Unfortunately, instead of reflecting upon what I tried to say, you, as usual, chose to point fingers. Sad, but typical.

Lookout & Bruce, as usual, were far better in expressing much of what I tried to convey last night.

Don't cry for me, Classictina.

God. You really are...what? How to express what I'm feeling right now? I'm feeling...confused because...because...

You are----DENSE!

That's it; you're dense if you think I think anybody actions or words or anything equates them with the mercster.
and Baby Boy, no, I DO NOT fucking 'reflect' on anything you 'try' to say because you are DENSE.

And the fingers I was pointing? They were at dwellars who have done good things. Maybe if Merc bought me a Beemer......nah. Still wouldn't like the asshole.

Merry Christmas, classsic. Birds of a feather and all that.

[Trilby]

Merc is clearly classicman's HERO.

Henceforth, he shall be known as Merc the Heroic.

He gave. He gave and gave and gave.


then, one day, he rode off into the sunset, never to be seen by the ignorant people who shunned his Brilliance and Generosity. *sobs* IF only we had KNOWN!!!

Yeah. I'm pretty bored today but still. I like to feel the blood flow just as much as the next gal.

[Trilby]

and bruce, as much as I appreciate your trying to deflect all the world's ills onto my shoulders, I can say the same thing: some people you like, some you don't and some you just don't give a shit about and it usually has NOTHING to do with any one particular thing about them---maybe you don't like the way I part my hair. All I know for sure is your opinion of me is none of my business and 99% of the time people are thinking of themselves and not the other guy----until the other guy A) really fucks up B) really does something cool or C) pisses a lot of people off. See? I DO get how the world works! I really do!

Now how about that cuddlefest?

[Ibby]

My disagreement with Bruce's "let's all be friends cause its not all about politics" is... it is all about politics. I see the world in terms of political motivations and realities. Politics, public policy, and institutional oppression are present in every facet of modern life. So, when I'm talking to a mostly-apolitical person who more or less sits somewhere on my end of the spectrum, we can talk about music, movies, tv, the weather, idgaf, whatever. But with someone on the far end of the spectrum - I can't talk to a racist, sexist, homophobic scumbag about just about anything, because their bigotry is always relevant. It's not "oh, you're okay except when you shit on minorities, so stop doing that so much so we can hang out" - it's "you're such a shitbird, you shit on minorities, you need to stop defending your bigotry before we can talk about anything else at all."

You all need to understand that intersectionality of oppressions is a BIG DEAL, and that microagressions are a BIG DEAL. You don't have to know you're saying something wrong - microaggressing - to be doing it, and you won't necessarily always see it when other people talk, either.
Racists, sexists, bigots of all stripes, will microagress nearly constantly, in conversations seemingly unrelated to bigotry. Calling them out isn't stifling the vibrancy or strength of our community - it's promoting it.
Why do you think The Cellar is so overwhelmingly populated by white people?
Why is making this a safe space for GSM people less important than making it a safe space for bigotry?
Why is having bigoted conservatives more important to the cellar - their growing absence is lamented more in this thread and across the board - than having more than a handful of PoC, more than a few queers, more participation from any and every minority group or oppressed people?
There are more points of view and diversity of opinion than "white liberal" and "white conservative". Where are all the people boo-hooing over the fact that we have way fewer active PoC than active conservatives?

[DanaC]

Ibs, if the Cellar was a safe place for bigotry it wouldn't erupt like a fucking guyser most of the times bigotry is openly expressed.

[Ibby]

But every time bigotry is pointed out there are just as many pro-bigotry (=anti-calling-it-out-lets-just-get-along) voices as anti-bigotry voices.
And every time someone laments the passing of bigots "other opinions" from our board, it makes the other bigots all that much more secure in staying.

[orthodoc]

No, Ibby, it's all about PEOPLE. You're the classic 'I love mankind, it's people I can't stand' Bolshevist. You relish your delicious vicarious victimization, when you've never experienced anything more painful than waiting for the seniors you sent out into the snow to buy you booze to return so you can double-check the receipts to make sure they didn't rip you off. Goddamned seniors need to be sent the way of Boxer once they outlive their usefulness in providing for your addictions, right?

Before you say one more thing, before you demand that one more human being on this planet do as you say, you need to be parachuted into some remote place where mommy and daddy don't pay for your booze and drugs and cheese, where you need to work your ass off to hopefully scrape a meagre meal at the end of the day, and then do it again for years ... where you will suffer serious physical harm for calling everyone who disagrees with you a CUNT ... where you need to shut your mouth and do more thinking, indulge in far less verbal diarrhea in the presence of people who have actually lived and suffered and grieved and persevered in the face of tons of 'unfairness'. Because life is unfair. Once you venture out from between your parents' legs you'll find that that's the case. And the best way of learning something about the world is to STFU and observe, and stop bleating your hubris into the darkness long enough to actually listen.

You need only look in the mirror to see a huge racist, sexist, heterophobic scumbag bigot. You've been well indoctrinated. You don't have a single original thought; everything you spew is worked-over rants from bigger minds and bigger souls than yours.

Let go of the parental lifeline and go live your life for ten years; then continue shutting up for ten more years; then maybe, maybe, think about saying something. Chances are it'll be something much more tempered, much more compassionate, than anything that has occurred to your fevered, drugged up little brain thus far.

I wouldn't have said any of this if I thought you were worthless. God help me, since I posted that no one is worthless you have challenged my statement every single day. Prove me wrong.

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by Ibby

pro-bigotry (=anti-calling-it-out-lets-just-get-along)

No. They are not the same thing.